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To: metmom
Or are you going to try to tell us now that the disciples were not saved either.

Why don't you tell me?

Was Judas saved?

Christ forgave Dismas from their crosses. I don't recall Him forgiving Judas, who had already committed suicide.

186 posted on 07/07/2019 8:55:57 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: ebb tide

YOU are the one who made the comment. It’s YOUR responsibility to explain yourself not mine to explain what you believe. I’d be accused of mind reading if I did that.

And Dismas is who? I never saw that name in Scripture. It’s not in any of the accounts of the crucifixion.

I’m sure that if Judas had asked, Jesus would have forgiven him. And in light of the possibility that you’ll ask why I suspect that, it’s because when Jesus was hanging on the cross, as He looked down on those who were crucifying Him, He prayed, *Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.*

But since Judas wasn’t at Antioch when the disciples were first called Christians, then it was by default referring to the other disciples who WERE followers of Jesus. That deflection isn’t going to work.

So the question remains and remains unanswered (as usual).

Are you saying that the disciples weren’t saved?


189 posted on 07/08/2019 1:53:42 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: ebb tide; metmom; Mom MD; boatbums; daniel1212
Can you know you're saved?

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Hilary, on the other hand, knew very well who he was -- a child of a loving God who had inherited eternal life through belief in the Son of God.

But still he was troubled. He knew the giftgiver now, but what was he, the recipient of the gift? Was he just created for the moment to disappear at death? It only made sense to him that God's purpose in creation should be "that what did not exist began to exist, not that what had begun to exist would cease to exist."

Then he found the Gospels and read John's words including "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God..." (John 1:1-2). From John he learned of the Son of God and how Jesus had been sent to bring eternal life to those who believed. Finally his soul was at rest. "No longer did it look upon the life of this body as troublesome or wearisome, but believed it to be what the alphabet is to children... namely, as the patient endurance of the present trials of life in order to gain a blissful eternity." He had found who he was in discovering God and God's Son Jesus Christ.

https://www.catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=55

193 posted on 07/08/2019 4:26:57 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ebb tide
I don't recall Him forgiving Judas, who had already committed suicide.

I don't recall; from the Book that Rome gave to the world; any timeline that states just WHEN Judas died.


 

Matthew 27:1–10 states that, after learning that Jesus was to be crucified, Judas was overcome by remorse and attempted to return the 30 pieces of silver to the priests, but they would not accept them because they were blood money, so he threw them on the ground and left. Afterwards, he committed suicide by hanging himself.[35]

3 Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,

4 Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that.

5 And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.

 

 

Acts 1:18 states that Judas used the money to buy a field,[35][36] and "[fell] headlong... burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out."[35] 

16 Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus.

17 For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.

18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.

210 posted on 07/08/2019 6:31:53 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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