Posted on 06/16/2019 4:55:18 AM PDT by CharlesOConnell
In Captains Courageous, with Spencer Tracey, Freddy Batholomew is a blowhard millionaire's son who is socially, poorly adjusted. He uses his father's incredible wealth, to bully his classmates and even his teacher, but he's roundly disliked, and ostracized. While on an ocean liner, he unsuccessfully tries to impress some other boys by eating 5 ice cream sodas. When he has to throw up, to escape the mocking boys, he runs into a lifeboat area to evade their ridicule while purging his overindulgence, and manages to fall overboard into the ocean.
Instances of people falling overboard into the open ocean are rather commonly reported in the news. Usually they are lost, but if by chance their accidents are observed and a life-preserver is thrown to them, is that the end of the story, do we just say, "oh, well, you have a floatation device, you're okay now"?
No, we have to pull them in. The life-preserver, the lifesaver, is only part of the formula for saving their lives. There is also a rope, which must be attached to the life-preserver, and must be used to finally accomplish their salvation.
Jesus Christ is the one mediator between God and man. But on the man side of the equation, unlike the radical individuality most typified by J.J. Rousseau, we who life the life of Christians do so in communities. But even then, we do not abide as atomistic individualists. We live our Jesus-oriented life in relation to our fellows. "Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching." Hebrews 10:25.
Jesus' first disciple was his mother, who gave us the total account of his early life and who "treasured these things up in her heart". "A sword will pierce your own soul too, so that the secret thoughts of many hearts might be revealed". On the cross, he gave his mother to John to take in his home, but when you take your master's mother, she takes care of you.
Then God's temple in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant was seen within his temple; and there were flashes of lightning, voices, peals of thunder, an earthquake, and heavy hail. And a great portent appeared in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars; she was with child and she cried out in her pangs of birth, in anguish for delivery.
And another portent appeared in heaven; behold, a great red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems upon his heads. His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven, and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to bear a child, that he might devour her child when she brought it forth; she brought forth a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne, and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, in which to be nourished for one thousand two hundred and sixty days.
And when the dragon saw that he had been thrown down to the earth, he pursued the woman who had borne the male child. But the woman was given the two wings of the great eagle that she might fly from the serpent into the wilderness, to the place where she is to be nourished for a time, and times, and half a time. The serpent poured water like a river out of his mouth after the woman, to sweep her away with the flood. But the earth came to the help of the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed the river which the dragon had poured from his mouth. Then the dragon was angry with the woman, and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and bear testimony to Jesus. - Rev 11:19 -- 12:17
She forms the body of Christ. She schools her son's disciples. Those who won't attend her school, remain ignorant.
We are in a time when any merely human institution would be washed away. Our churches are going under the shadow of a new Heresy of Ba'al of Peor, as when the Hebrew people were successfully attacked and overwhelmed through human sexuality. Our churches are now pro-gay and as soon as the civil authority authorizes child sex, they will be indistinguishable from the denizens of the town of Sodom: "Bring them out that we may know them".
Jesus' mother forms the few of the elect who will resist being fooled by the great apostasy. Those who will not avail themselves of the lifeline of Mary, will be lost.
Did John?
1 John 5:13
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.
Your problem, though is that one example where that does not happen, does not mean it's an across the board situation for all Protestant churches.
There are other non-Catholic churches where people of different denominations share the pulpit and communion.
You have not proved your point.
I'm not. I'm just refuting a false statement that was made.
The "Queen" Mary is the sinking ship one needs to get far away from or be sucked under.
amen metmom. and im not ELCA by the way. as i said in a previous post that our friend keeps trying to ignore is that what unites us is more important than what separates us
the downside is praying to a created being rather than the creator.
You apparently don’t get that doctrinal differences are not that which we sue to determine whether we are in full communion or not.
I am in communion with those in different denominations, not because of doctrinal stand, but because of the common salvation we share by faith in Christ.
And so what the heck is the big deal about *being in full communion* anyways?
What does it mean and what does it prove?
That a whole bunch of people agree with something? So what? Why is that important?
Sounds like you have it down.
Why do I waste my time?
They'll STILL miss it like...
I didn't say it applied for all Protestant churches. I showed more than one example which proves the point that if there are doctrinal differences certain Protestant churches may not be in communion contrary to what was claimed.
There are other non-Catholic churches where people of different denominations share the pulpit and communion.
Good for them, but it doesn't negate the fact that there are Protestant churches that restrict the pulpit and communion because of doctrinal differences.
You have not proved your point.
See above.
Meaning, consistent with Catholic practice, such should have as formal titles Great....grandmother of God. But such laudatory misleading titles is not the language of Scripture, which is careful to make the distinction btwn the Creator and the created which the common use of the formal title "The Mother of God" (even in preference to "God-bearer") is contrary to.
Paul clearly sees that Christ, the Only Savior, is associating each one of us in His work of salvation--- which we need to pray and work for, with Jesus, our Head:
Which is just what Catholicism and you are inconsistent with. For when naming and describing His chosen instruments, God nowhere comes anywhere close to the supererogatory adulation of the Mary of Catholicism, to whom are ascribed power, glory, praise, and titles which are nowhere given to any created being. Not even Paul, whose passion and sacrificial labor of love and teachings the Holy Spirit provides more on than any other redeemed mortal in the NT.
While a rule of Climatology seems to be that any negative effect that is desired to be attributed to Climate Change, will be, a rule of Catholicism is that any positive attribute that is desired to be attributed to Mary, will be, deity excepting. Even if not "officially, such adulation abounds uncensored.
That very little Mary is said of Mary in Scripture, and what is said is not what the hyper-exaltation of Catholicism, is a proof that Catholicism neither wrote or altered the Bible as some critics allege.
Time or brains?
Oh?
There are MORE??
Then quit trying to get ANY traction out of that lame strawman!
I said time.
Amen Mom. We may have some different YOPIOS ideas on some issues, that are not germane to salvation. On the plan of salvation, however, we march, absolutely, totally and completely in LOCK STEP with each other. There is not even the tiniest bit of wiggle room whatsoever, when it comes to misinterpreting the doctrine of Heaven and Hell. After all, nothing else really matters. I think the soul winners motive, should be to keep people out of Hell, where their pain goes to infinity.
I hope that scares a few people out of Hell. Unfortunately, I think many false religionists, blindly accept what others tell them, and continue to misinterpret, and downright misrepresent what the scriptures actually say. 👎
I don't know. It's your claim.
Which Catholics?
I guess your time is MUCH too precious for you to waste it looking up Acts 15 in your handy bible; I'll use MY precious time to do it for you.
The apostles and elders, your brothers,
To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:
Greetings.
24 We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. 25 So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. 28It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.
Farewell.
30 So the men were sent off and went down to Antioch, where they gathered the church together and delivered the letter. 31 The people read it and were glad for its encouraging message. 32 Judas and Silas, who themselves were prophets, said much to encourage and strengthen the believers. 33 After spending some time there, they were sent off by the believers with the blessing of peace to return to those who had sent them. [34] 35 But Paul and Barnabas remained in Antioch, where they and many others taught and preached the word of the Lord.
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