Jesus is the Life Preserver. Mary is the Rope He Chose To Reel Us In.

The Most Ancient Tradition | 06-16-2019 | Charles O'Connell

[Al Hitan]

Paul refers to them as *disputable matters* and makes allowance for it.

Don't kid yourself. The differences in Protestant theology involve more than what foods you eat. One example:

From the Large Catechism:

In the second place, since we know now what Baptism is, and how it is to be regarded, we must also learn why and for what purpose it is instituted; that is, what it profits, gives, and works. And this also we cannot discern better than from the words of Christ above quoted: He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. 24] Therefore state it most simply thus, that the power, work, profit, fruit, and end of Baptism is this, namely, to save. For no one is baptized in order that he may become a prince, but, as the words declare, that he be saved. 25] But to be saved, we know, is nothing else than to be delivered from sin, death, and the devil, and to enter into the kingdom of Christ, and to live with Him forever.

we are heaven bound because of the trust we have put in Jesus for our salvation, and be what RC'S call *be in communion with each other* although there are still some doctrinal issues.

It isn't just what the Catholics define as being in full communion; many Protestants churches do also. For example, here is how the ELCA defines full communion. Do you see your church listed. If not, you are not.

[Al Hitan]

the why the different denominations. you try to have it both ways but it doesn’t fool anyone

They aren't different denominations. They are different ways of celebrating the liturgy.

[Al Hitan]

Here's what the CCC says. "Moved by the Holy Spirit, we can merit for ourselves and for others all the graces needed to attain eternal life"

You forgot to quote this part "Since the initiative belongs to God in the order of grace, no one can merit the initial grace of forgiveness and justification, at the beginning of conversion."

Now that you've been caught in a falsehood that shows either you didn't actually read what you tried to cite, OR shows your ignorance about your own claimed religion...

There was no falsehood. As I demonstrated by the original link, the Orthodox believe "The reception of the gift of salvation is not a one-time event but a life-time process" and "A person is justified by works and not by faith alone”. Do you believe this Orthodox belief? Catholics do.

[Al Hitan]

(Oh, and good job on believing the obvious lies about what Protestants believe; you must be exceptionally gullible)

Quoting the Large Catechism is not believing an obvious lie.

[Al Hitan]

You've been shown to peddle falsehoods.

It wasn't I that partially quoted the Catechism of the Catholic Church to try and make a fallacious point. I just posted actual Orthodox belief regarding faith and works, which the Catholics also believe.

[MHGinTN]

I wonder if the Catholic ‘teacher’ understands that GOD is ONE?

[ealgeone]

A Protestant told me that just believing in Jesus is enough to get one into heaven. This isn’t what I was taught, or is my memory incorrect? Please clarify this. These born-again Christians can be very insulting to us.

You really have no concept of what authentic salvation is.

[MHGinTN]

In the last sentence especially the falseness is exposed ... the mother of a gestating child does not determine or make the blood of the child. In fact, the mother gives shelter and nutrients to the child through a separation system o f the placental barrier and her circulatory system takes away waste and provides oxygen, but her blood is not making any of the child, the new life is building its own vehicle for life in the air world.

What Catholicism assumes (probably speciously) is that Mary provide the ovum from which Jesus was produced. That fundamental mythos is so vital to the many layers of lies and fables in Catholicism

But then what would Catholicism be without their fables and mythos?

[Al Hitan]

You really have no concept of what authentic salvation is.

You have no clue which words are mine and which are quoted from an article.

[MHGinTN]

Do you understand that the term ‘conceives refers to the implantation of an embryo aged human in the uterine lining of the mother? It does not refer to the union of the spermatozoon and the ovum.

[Mark17]

Catholics are the only ones who pollute the Gospel by saying, as found in the CCC, that you have to merit eternal life with works.

As you know, praise God, I am an ex catholic. The day I left that false religion, was the best day of my life. I do not believe, however, that the Catholic Church is the only church that pushes a false, works based salvation. There are a number of different false religions, that do that, as well. 😁👍 It’s a different gospel, that Paul warned about.

[Roman_War_Criminal]

Anybody that believe that Baptism is a requirement for Salvation in Christ is a true amateur and in need of a quick rebuke at the least. Shunned at the most.

The Cathoholics will self-flagellate themselves to death in attempt after attempt in order to justify themselves before a Righteous and Holy God.

Same can be said of plenty of legalistic Protestants as well.

YES....it is “Believe”.

John 6:29
Acts 16:31
Romans 4:5
Romans 10:9-10
1 John 5:1

[Al Hitan]

You really have no concept of what authentic salvation is.

The Orthodox believe:

"The reception of the gift of salvation is not a one-time event but a life-time process" and

"A person is justified by works and not by faith alone”

Do you agree?

[ealgeone]

And if a person doesn't have a chance to do any "works"?

Do they go to Heaven or Hell?

[MHGinTN]

Abraham believed God ... The Froman doesn’t believe God so it is not counted for him/her/it righteousness don’thaknow.

[Al Hitan]

Anybody that believe that Baptism is a requirement for Salvation in Christ is a true amateur

The claim was that there were no significant differences within Protestant belief. What I quoted was from the Lutheran Large Catechism. So, I guess you don't agree with the Lutherans.

[ealgeone]

And it was credited to him as righteousness....before he did his "works"

When one reads Paul and James in CONTEXT as I know you do and have, this is an easy issue to understand which I know you do!

[Al Hitan]

And if a person doesn't have a chance to do any "works"?

Do you agree with the Orthodox teaching or not?

[ealgeone]

That's not the question....the question is what does the Scriptures teach.

So, back to my question....if a person doesn't have a chance to do any "works"....do they go to Heaven or Hell?

I'd think it'd be a fairly easy question to answer.

[metmom]

Those are your words.

That's a question which you evaded answering.

Contrarily, the Catholic Church is not pleased with the differences in doctrine with the Orthodox and are working to resolve them. We've been through all this before, but I guess you've slept since then.

It looks like a thousand years hasn't sufficed to reconcile the differences.

What's it going to take? Another thousand?