Posted on 06/16/2019 4:55:18 AM PDT by CharlesOConnell
In Captains Courageous, with Spencer Tracey, Freddy Batholomew is a blowhard millionaire's son who is socially, poorly adjusted. He uses his father's incredible wealth, to bully his classmates and even his teacher, but he's roundly disliked, and ostracized. While on an ocean liner, he unsuccessfully tries to impress some other boys by eating 5 ice cream sodas. When he has to throw up, to escape the mocking boys, he runs into a lifeboat area to evade their ridicule while purging his overindulgence, and manages to fall overboard into the ocean.
Instances of people falling overboard into the open ocean are rather commonly reported in the news. Usually they are lost, but if by chance their accidents are observed and a life-preserver is thrown to them, is that the end of the story, do we just say, "oh, well, you have a floatation device, you're okay now"?
No, we have to pull them in. The life-preserver, the lifesaver, is only part of the formula for saving their lives. There is also a rope, which must be attached to the life-preserver, and must be used to finally accomplish their salvation.
Jesus Christ is the one mediator between God and man. But on the man side of the equation, unlike the radical individuality most typified by J.J. Rousseau, we who life the life of Christians do so in communities. But even then, we do not abide as atomistic individualists. We live our Jesus-oriented life in relation to our fellows. "Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching." – Hebrews 10:25.
Jesus' first disciple was his mother, who gave us the total account of his early life and who "treasured these things up in her heart". "A sword will pierce your own soul too, so that the secret thoughts of many hearts might be revealed". On the cross, he gave his mother to John to take in his home, but when you take your master's mother, she takes care of you.
Then God's temple in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant was seen within his temple; and there were flashes of lightning, voices, peals of thunder, an earthquake, and heavy hail. And a great portent appeared in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars; she was with child and she cried out in her pangs of birth, in anguish for delivery.
And another portent appeared in heaven; behold, a great red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems upon his heads. His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven, and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to bear a child, that he might devour her child when she brought it forth; she brought forth a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne, and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, in which to be nourished for one thousand two hundred and sixty days. …
And when the dragon saw that he had been thrown down to the earth, he pursued the woman who had borne the male child. But the woman was given the two wings of the great eagle that she might fly from the serpent into the wilderness, to the place where she is to be nourished for a time, and times, and half a time. The serpent poured water like a river out of his mouth after the woman, to sweep her away with the flood. But the earth came to the help of the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed the river which the dragon had poured from his mouth. Then the dragon was angry with the woman, and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and bear testimony to Jesus. - Rev 11:19 -- 12:17
She forms the body of Christ. She schools her son's disciples. Those who won't attend her school, remain ignorant.
We are in a time when any merely human institution would be washed away. Our churches are going under the shadow of a new Heresy of Ba'al of Peor, as when the Hebrew people were successfully attacked and overwhelmed through human sexuality. Our churches are now pro-gay and as soon as the civil authority authorizes child sex, they will be indistinguishable from the denizens of the town of Sodom: "Bring them out that we may know them".
Jesus' mother forms the few of the elect who will resist being fooled by the great apostasy. Those who will not avail themselves of the lifeline of Mary, will be lost.
Maybe they figured it out, but maybe they haven't learned. I think the growing division and splits demonstrates they haven't.
As for claiming what catholics teach or believe, we have used your words or official documents for evidence and you still state we don’t know what you believe.
That's good. But as often demonstrated on FreeRepublic many don't know as much about the Church as they put on.
You fromans are arguing with your own church and members, not us.
What are you talking about? There is plenty of Protestant-Catholic argument. Try reading through some of the comments on FR. As far as Catholics arguing among ourselves about the Church, we always have and always will, until the end.
So much for unity....
Truly.
Yes, Lord and God are two different words but they can be taken to mean the same thing. E.g., we refer to Jesus, who is God, as Lord.
Looking at Luke 1:28 we again see the use of the word Lord (kurios): “And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord (kurios)is with thee: blessed art thou among women.”
The angel's reference to 'Lord' in Luke 1:28 is to mean God.
The link you posted is a perfect match to what Protestants believe and the exact opposite of what Catholics believe according to your own CCC.
Now stop blaspheming and telling falsehoods about non-Catholics.
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That's your opinion. Other Fromans have said differently.
So that means that the EO are going to hell unless they knuckle under Rome?
I get it.
I get that Catholics will excuse the very thing in the selves that they condemn in others.
you are the one that was outlining all the catholic variations. i see no difference
Catholicism demands that one agree lockstep with every last bit of their doctrine or go to hell and non-Romans recognize that there are legitimate differences in opinion on some issues that do not affect ones salvation.
Paul refers to them as *disputable matters* and makes allowance for it.
Romans 14:1-9 As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. The one who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since he gives thanks to God, while the one who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God. For none of us lives to himself, and none of us dies to himself. For if we live, we live to the Lord, and if we die, we die to the Lord. So then, whether we live or whether we die, we are the Lord's. For to this end Christ died and lived again, that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.
So we can recognize each other as brothers and sisters in Christ, and recognize that we are heaven bound because of the trust we have put in Jesus for our salvation, and be what RC'S call *be in communion with each other* although there are still some doctrinal issues.
Clearly, though, since Paul equates all the rules and regulations and don't's to be a sign of weak faith, Catholicism is found to be a religious system of very weak faith as it cannot tolerate any dissent from the party line dictated from Rome.
Cop out answer.
Tell us what official Roman teaching is on the matter.
And they are still not in communion by your own words.
Nonsense.
Thaty's just an excuse and justification to make the passage say something it doesn't.
The phrase *mother of God* does not show up ANYWHERE in the Bible. Catholicism made it up.
Live with it.
Exactly untrue. Here is an excerpt from another Orthodox link to further illustrate:
A Protestant told me that just believing in Jesus is enough to get one into heaven. This isn’t what I was taught, or is my memory incorrect? Please clarify this. These born-again Christians can be very insulting to us.
Answer
Orthodox Christianity teaches that belief in Jesus must be combined with putting that belief into action—feeding the hungry, ministering to others, etc. Both essential.
We read in the epistles: “Faith without works is dead.”
One can indeed “believe” in Christ and yet lead a life that betrays that belief. Hence belief alone is not sufficient. “Not all who say ‘Lord, Lord’ will have a place in my Kingdom.”
And another Greek Orthodox link explaining. These all are in agreement with Catholic teaching.
Those are your words.
I get that Catholics will excuse the very thing in the selves that they condemn in others.
Contrarily, the Catholic Church is not pleased with the differences in doctrine with the Orthodox and are working to resolve them. We've been through all this before, but I guess you've slept since then.
Very true, but that does not negate the fact that the Catholic and Orthodox Churches are much closer on doctrine than are the Protestants and Orthodox. So, the Protestants should quit pretending they are.
I did.
Prove it.
That's correct. All the various churches within the Catholic Church have the same set of dogma.
the why the different denominations. you try to have it both ways but it doesn’t fool anyone
"The teaching of the New Testament is that God’s grace, our free will, and our faith and good works, are intimately connected. The Holy Spirit energizes in us both faith and good works as we thirst for and seek God’s grace. Neither faith nor good works can be presented as merit before God, but only as return gifts in humility, love, and thanksgiving. "
Here's what the CCC says. "Moved by the Holy Spirit, we can merit for ourselves and for others all the graces needed to attain eternal life"
Now that you've been caught in a falsehood that shows either you didn't actually read what you tried to cite, OR shows your ignorance about your own claimed religion...
Well, who cares what you have to say? You've been shown to peddle falsehoods.
(Oh, and good job on believing the obvious lies about what Protestants believe; you must be exceptionally gullible)
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