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Jesus is the Life Preserver. Mary is the Rope He Chose To Reel Us In.
The Most Ancient Tradition | 06-16-2019 | Charles O'Connell

Posted on 06/16/2019 4:55:18 AM PDT by CharlesOConnell

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To: Elsie

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1,021 posted on 06/24/2019 5:46:20 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Salvation
Son; you is REALLY late to this thread!!

Read Luke 1

994 posted on ‎6‎/‎23‎/‎2019‎ ‎8‎:‎04‎:‎13‎ ‎PM by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)



1,022 posted on 06/24/2019 5:48:42 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Salvation

Ooops!

Sorry ‘bout that ‘son’ thing.

I must be channeling Foghorn Leghorn this morning.


1,023 posted on 06/24/2019 5:49:57 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ealgeone

What MUST we do, to do the things GOD requires?


1,024 posted on 06/24/2019 5:50:39 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Luircin

No doubt, we all will still be stirring...


1,025 posted on 06/24/2019 5:53:49 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: af_vet_1981
I doubt it; Jews who believed in Jesus were generally barred from the synagogues. The epistle was written to these:

Whether Hebrews was possibly originally a address to Christians (not to evangelize but to exhort) meeting in synagogues or houses (believers wherever they could: Justin Martyr says he met above the baths) is not that important. However, while Christians were persecuted by a class of Jews (and locally excommunicated from the synagogue in Jn. 9:22), yet the synagogues were not controlled like as Watchtower houses, or even Catholic churches ("Scholars have noted the lack of evidence for a central organization or leadership structure that oversaw the different synagogues" - https://bible.org/article/origins-church-rome), thus before his conversion, it was in synagogues that Saul found Christians:

And I said, Lord, they know that I imprisoned and beat in every synagogue them that believed on thee: (Acts 22:19)

And I punished them oft in every synagogue, and compelled them to blaspheme; and being exceedingly mad against them, I persecuted them even unto strange cities. (Acts 26:11)

The Jewish encyclopedia informs:

The attachment of the Christian to Jewish customs may be particularly inferred from six sermons, delivered against the Jews in Antioch (about 366-387) by John Chrysostom, later patriarch of Constantinople. On Sabbaths and holidays, Christians, especially women, visited the synagogue in preference to the church. They also preferred to bring their disputes to Jewish judges and took their oaths in the synagogue. - http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/1586-antioch

Likewise early on many synagogues offered to Paul and others a means of meeting actual evangelization.

And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks." (Acts 18:4)

And he came to Ephesus, and left them there: but he himself entered into the synagogue, and reasoned with the Jews. When they desired him to tarry longer time with them, he consented not; But bade them farewell, saying, I must by all means keep this feast that cometh in Jerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if God will. And he sailed from Ephesus. (Acts 18:19-21)

And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God. (Acts 19:8)

Historian Philip Alexander described a thriving Messianic Jewish community in the Galilee during the second century AD when rabbinic Judaism was emerging. Messianic Jews attended synagogues, lived among other Jews, and practiced Torah. - https://jewsforjesus.org/jewish-resources/community/messianic-jews-a-brief-history/

That would change due to the rejection of Christ and His followers and persecution of them by many Jews, resulting in such antagonism as was expressed by Chrysostom:

How, Chrysostom asked, can Christians “have the slightest converse” with Jews, “the most miserable of all men”? He went on to describe Jews 36 A CONVENIENT HATRED: THE HISTORY OF ANTISEMITISM as “inveterate murderers, destroyers, men possessed by the devil.” To him, the sy nagogue was “a place of shame and ridicule,” “the domicile of the devil.” Indeed, he told his congregation that Jews worshipped the devil with rites that are “criminal and impure” and that the synagogue was “an assembly of criminals,” “a den of thieves,” and “a cavern of devils.”

Why did Chrysostom believe Jews were degenerate? Because of their “odious assassination of Christ.” And for this crime, Chrysostom declared, there was “no expiation possible, no indulgence, no pardon.” In his view, the rejection and dispersal of the Jews was the work of God, not of emperors. He insisted that God had always hated the Jews, and therefore, on Judgment Day, God would say to Judaizers, “Depart from Me, for you have had dealings with murderers.” [John Chrysostom, “Chrysostom’s Homilies Against the Jews.”]

Chrysostom’s attacks had little to do with Jewish practice or belief. He was not interested in real Jews; it was the “Judaizing” Christians he was attacking . In opposing them, however, he demonized “the Jews.” And he was not alone. Other Christian leaders in Chrysostom’s day wrote in similar ways about Jews - Phyllis Goldstein: A Convenient Hatred: The History of Antisemitism; https://www.facinghistory.org/sites/default/files/Ch.2.pdf

It could have been the Apostle Paul.

Then why are we arguing?

The Pontifical Biblical Communion... Paul can be regarded as the indirect author of Hebrews. Researchers are free to explore this matter.

Sounds like what I postulate. But for RCs, the Pontifical Biblical Communion (accused of being liberal by some RCs) versus Trent?

1,026 posted on 06/24/2019 6:36:30 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: Elsie
What MUST we do, to do the things GOD requires?

maybe this.....

28Therefore they said to Him, “What shall we do, so that we may work the works of God?”

29Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent.”

John 6:28-29 NASB

1,027 posted on 06/24/2019 10:09:41 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

It is interesting to not how many times in that Bread of Life discourse (John 6) that Jesus stated believe as opposed to how many times He say eat me and drink my blood. Yet Catholiciism insists that the more numerous assertions of BELIEVE are negated by the few ‘eat my flesh and drink my blood’. And the context reveals why ... so RCs refuse the context.


1,028 posted on 06/24/2019 3:37:10 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: MHGinTN

‘interesting to note’ ... old fingers miss keys occasionally.


1,029 posted on 06/24/2019 3:38:06 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: MHGinTN
Further, John uses believe 80+ times in conversations between Jesus and others in his gospel IIRC. I don’t have my spreadsheet in front of me.

Our RC friends miss the point of the Lord’s Supper.....do this in remembrance of Me.

It is a result of salvation; not a means of salvation.

1,030 posted on 06/24/2019 4:12:01 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

it is also a beautiful gift to feed our spiritual life. it is grace that we can see, smell and touch. We are physical beings and He knows we need physical gifts.


1,031 posted on 06/24/2019 5:27:02 PM PDT by Mom MD
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To: daniel1212
Then why are we arguing?

    It is more healthy debate and discussion. If the letter is from Paul (or Barnabas)
  1. The Apostle Paul wrote his epistles to churches and saints.
  2. The Jews who believed in Jesus were called churches before Paul became an apostle.
  3. Therefore it was written to the churches comprised of Jews, possibly throughout Judea and Galilee, according to the whole.




  • But Barnabas took him, and brought him to the apostles, and declared unto them how he had seen the Lord in the way, and that he had spoken to him, and how he had preached boldly at Damascus in the name of Jesus.
  • And he was with them coming in and going out at Jerusalem.
  • And he spake boldly in the name of the Lord Jesus, and disputed against the Grecians: but they went about to slay him.
  • Which when the brethren knew, they brought him down to Caesarea, and sent him forth to Tarsus.
  • Then had the churches rest throughout all Judaea and Galilee and Samaria, and were edified; and walking in the fear of the Lord, and in the comfort of the Holy Ghost, were multiplied.
  • And it came to pass, as Peter passed throughout all quarters, he came down also to the saints which dwelt at Lydda.



as authorized, but not authored, by King James

1,032 posted on 06/24/2019 6:25:25 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: daniel1212
Then why are we arguing?

    It is more healthy debate and discussion. If the letter is from Paul (or Barnabas)
  1. The Apostle Paul wrote his epistles to churches and saints.
  2. The Jews who believed in Jesus were called churches before Paul became an apostle.
  3. Therefore it was written to the churches comprised of Jews, possibly throughout Judea and Galilee, according to the whole.




  • But Barnabas took him, and brought him to the apostles, and declared unto them how he had seen the Lord in the way, and that he had spoken to him, and how he had preached boldly at Damascus in the name of Jesus.
  • And he was with them coming in and going out at Jerusalem.
  • And he spake boldly in the name of the Lord Jesus, and disputed against the Grecians: but they went about to slay him.
  • Which when the brethren knew, they brought him down to Caesarea, and sent him forth to Tarsus.
  • Then had the churches rest throughout all Judaea and Galilee and Samaria, and were edified; and walking in the fear of the Lord, and in the comfort of the Holy Ghost, were multiplied.
  • And it came to pass, as Peter passed throughout all quarters, he came down also to the saints which dwelt at Lydda.


Acts, Catholic chapter nine, Protestant verses twenty seven to thirty two,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

1,033 posted on 06/24/2019 6:27:04 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: ealgeone
Our RC friends miss the point of the Lord’s Supper PASSOVER meal .....do this in remembrance of Me.
1,034 posted on 06/24/2019 6:43:43 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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