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To: aMorePerfectUnion
It's not a straw man: it's an illustration of real situations. (It would be a straw if I said you had said that.)

There is one Truth, Eternal and from on high. Sin abounds, but at least if you have such things as councils and catechisms, the errant and the wrongdoer know they're in the wrong.

Arianism, for instance, went on for a century or more after the Council which was called to clarify and affirm the eternal divine nature of Christ; but at least the post-Nicene heretics could be confronted in a more definitive way, once there was a ruling.

65 posted on 01/17/2019 6:43:55 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Hm?)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
It's not a straw man: it's an illustration of real situations. (It would be a straw if I said you had said that.)

No, that would just be a lie.

A straw man argument made to appear as a real argument.

"The straw man is a fallacy in which an opponent's argument is overstated or misrepresented in order to be more easily attacked or refuted. The technique often takes quotes out of context or, more often, incorrectly paraphrases or summarizes an opponent's position. Then after "defeating" the position, the attacker claims to have beaten the real thing.

Your post built a false straw man, before demonstrating how weak it was and why needed Rome.

There is one Truth, Eternal and from on high. Sin abounds, but at least if you have such things as councils and catechisms, the errant and the wrongdoer know they're in the wrong.

We agree that there is one Truth, Eternal and from God, known as the Word of God.

God also gave His assemblies the gifts of teacher, pastor to expound the Word of God, as well as the gift of the Holy Spirit to each true believer to lead them into truth by enlightening the Word of God.

Yes, I'm glad you note that many Christian Churches have a statement of faith, detailing the essential truths, catechisms (like the WESTMINSTER CATECHISM), and church discipline to correct the wrongdoers, when necessary.


67 posted on 01/17/2019 6:53:33 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Mrs. Don-o
There is one Truth, Eternal and from on high.

I guess anything else must be a lie; right??


When therefore we read in the writings of Saint Bernard, Saint Bernardine, Saint Bonaventure, and others that all in heaven and on earth, even God himself, is subject to the Blessed Virgin, they mean that the authority which God was pleased to give her is so great that she seems to have the same power as God. Her prayers and requests are so powerful with him that he accepts them as commands in the sense that he never resists his dear mother’s prayer because it is always humble and conformed to his will.... St. Louis de Montfort, in Treatise on True Devotion to the Blessed Virgin, #27, 246.

http://www.ewtn.com/library/Montfort/TRUEDEVO.HTM

 

 

Ambrose,  Anselm,   Antoninus,   Athanasius,  Bernadine,  Blosius,  Bonaventure,   St. John Damascene,
Ephem,  Fulgetius,  Guerric,  Richard of Laurence,  Father Nicholas Gruner,  St. Alphonsus de Liguori, Father Stefano Manelli

85 posted on 01/18/2019 4:55:28 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

...once there was a ruling.


 

 


'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone,
' it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less.'

'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.'

'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.'  


86 posted on 01/18/2019 4:57:09 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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