[daniel1212]

I have a few more minuted before i must go, so lets deal with this one:

And as said and ignored, the only location mentioned in this discourse having one's potion with the unbelievers, which thus is correspondent to the final judgment, in which souls are "judged every man according to their works." (Rev 20:13)>

The above post reads like it is the process of interpreting a text or portion of text in such a way that the process introduces one's own presuppositions, agendas, or biases into and onto the text.

What?! That is EXACTLY what you are doing, as shown. For having one's portion with the unbelievers, and being punished after the Lord's return according to one's deeds and accountability as in Lk. 12:41-48, is indeed clearly correspondent to the final judgment since it occurs after the Lord return, and souls are "judged every man according to their works

In contrast, you are the one introducing "one's own presuppositions, agendas, or biases into and onto the text" by making a judgment and punishment which occurs after the Lord's return into one that occurs before the Lord's return, and which souls are experiencing now! In addition to having one's portion with the unbelievers not being correspondent to a ongoing punishment of believers, nor is he "who prepared not himself, neither did according to his will" correspondent t walking in saving faith.

All disciples should be careful not to ignore or give short shrift what the Messiah said about watching one's behavior.

Indeed, for in contrast to him "who prepared not himself, neither did according to his will" "Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end." (Hebrews 3:6. KJV) "he that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death." (Revelation 2:11. KJV) These are they of penitent characteristic obedience faith, who repent when they are convicted of the opposite.

[af_vet_1981]

For having one's portion with the unbelievers, and being punished after the Lord's return according to one's deeds and accountability as in Lk. 12:41-48, is indeed clearly correspondent to the final judgment since it occurs after the Lord return, and souls are "judged every man according to their works

The Messiah, in that warning passage, listed four types of servants that could belong to "the little flock" so they can clearly be understood as disciples. Surely these disciples whom the Messiah personally addressed as "little flock" have a more certain pedigree than any reader here. He personally addressed them as "little flock" and they knew Him. Yet He warned them (not some others)


1. Servants who He finds watching when He comes for them
2. Servants who do not watch, harm others and eat and drink to excess
3. Servants who know His will and are neither ready, nor doing His will
4. Servants who do not know His will but do something worthy of a flogging

Only the second type of servant is assigned a portion with the unbelievers, and that because of his works.

If one holds that the other two types of servants punished are at the final judgment, and one holds that any punishment at the final judgment indicates hell (thus removing their names from the book of life and subjecting them to eternal damnation, for they were "little flock") then no one is effectively saved until they are judged and not punished (found watching (their behavior) and doing everything the LORD commanded).

It begs the question, why would someone be given many stripes or few stripes if cast into eternal fire and torment?
At that point, what difference would it make?