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To: af_vet_1981
Except there are six cases of the word used for loss, and in the first three from the Messiah, He says the man loses his own soul. The fourth case is this one, where a man is saved as by fire. The fifth case is hypothetical (Paul writing that godly sorrow and repentance prevented the loss). The sixth case (Paul) speaks to the loss of everything (except the soul).

And just what how does that help you? You need to prove that loss does not refer to the opposite of gaining rewards, which is what the context shows it refers to.

Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour. For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building. According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; (1Co 3:8-12)

Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. (1Co 3:13-15)

The material one helped build the body of Christ with is tested, and if it endures, then the builder will receive a reward at that time, "the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth." (Revelation 11:18. KJV)

And if the material cannot endure the fire, then it is burned, and the builder suffers loss.

All of which occurs at the Lord's return, (1Cor. 3:8ff; 4:5; 2Tim. 4:1,8; Rev.11:18; Mt. 25:31-46; 1Pt. 1:7; 5:4) with believers who are already with the Lord, not in Purgatory, (Phil 1:23; 2Cor. 5:8 [“we”]; Heb, 12:22,23; 1Cor. 15:51ff'; 1Thess. 4:17) who is at the right hand of the Father, thus neither personal impurities are being consumed so that one may be with God, nor does this occur at the death of the believer. Thus 1 Cor. 3 is simply not speaking of Purgatory. Even the notes to youy NAB bible recognize this.

The text of ⇒ 1 Cor 3:15 has sometimes been used to support the notion of purgatory, though it does not envisage this.

Note the next portion which was left out ... and certainly fits two of the three types of punishment for disciples as taught by the Messiah in Luke's passage. In those two types (stripes), the disciple is still saved, yet as by fire.

Again, only kind of disciples here are those who did not prepare themselves, and the ignorant, both of whom do not correspond to those walking in obedient saving faith (Hebrew 3:6,12,14) and the only location described her is that of being with believers. No reward at all is mentioned for this class. Thus all you have for support of Purgatory is the principal of punishment corespondent to accountability, which is what we see in Rv. 20:11-15, and would also be a factor in loss or gaining of rewards at the judgment seat of Christ after the Lord's return for believers who are already with the Lord, and which is simply is not corespondent to ongoing "purifying punishments" now in order for one to enter Heaven. And which reality is what the epistles to the church would treach if that was what believers were to look forward to, rather than being with Christ in the presence of the Father.

Now i understand your devotion to Rome and how hard some RCs vainly try to establish RC traditions of men by Scripture, even though that is not to be the basis for our assurance if became faithful RCs, but you need to realize that your desperate untenable attempts are actually an argument against being a RC, and for being s Scripture evangelical. Give it up. i will be back tonite.

293 posted on 01/12/2019 10:09:28 AM PST by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: daniel1212
"Except there are six cases of the word used for loss, and in the first three from the Messiah, He says the man loses his own soul. The fourth case is this one, where a man is saved as by fire. The fifth case is hypothetical (Paul writing that godly sorrow and repentance prevented the loss). The sixth case (Paul) speaks to the loss of everything (except the soul)."

And just what how does that help you?

Because post 290 reads:
"for not only does "suffer loss" means "loss" in the majority of cases, " which is not the case; half of the cases are for loss of one's soul, and spoken by the Messiah Himself. None of the other cases are about loss of rewards, and this case does not read "loss of reward" but rather "he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire." It is established that the "gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble" are works, and that every man will be judged according to his works, those things done in his body, whether good or bad. Therefore, the loss is not rewards (there is no reword for bad works, only punishment), but it could be punishment for unacceptable works (wood, hay stubble). Yet he is saved, yet as by fire.
311 posted on 01/12/2019 8:08:29 PM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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