Don’t Be a Liar

Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 01-03-19 | Msgr. Charles Pope

[daniel1212]

Is that an indication of a general acceptance by Protestants that one is not saved by "faith alone." ?

Which refers to what actually appropriates justification, the faith that effects works by the Spirit, versus the merit of works, and of faith being counted for righteousness, and becoming actually becoming good enough in heart and character to enter Heaven, as per so much Catholic teaching.

[boatbums]

I appreciate being pinged to threads by you! I don't really know why some RCs have a problem with that and why they have to invent ridiculous sounding excuses for why it's looked down upon especially when they often do the same thing.

If you ping a list of Freepers to a thread we might be interested in reading and joining (although being pinged does NOT make it mandatory), why should that be seen as bringing a "gang" to a street fight or as an invitation to "gang up" on someone? Seriously, I think some of these RCs are the equivalent of "snowflakes" of our time - they see every disagreement with their views as PERSONAL attacks and they need to escape to a quiet room to settle their nerves. If they REALLY think that, then as the RM advises, they should stick to their Caucus and Devotional threads and avoid OPEN RF ones. No one is forcing them to read anything. Poor dears!

So, please keep pinging me to threads. I may not always have time to join in but I do read them and respect your knowledge and the efforts you take to document your resources and back up your opinions. God bless you!

[Luircin]

Your own Catholic catechism says that you have to do works, oh, excuse me, get ‘merits’ in order to get salvation.

daniel was right; you’re sounding more and more like a Reformer.

[boatbums]

The truth of the matter is that we are saved by grace through faith, and to be in the Messiah explicitly requires one to walk in good works.

No, that is not the "truth of the matter"! That is the accursed gospel of a works-based salvation religion. Yes, we ARE saved by grace through faith but saying "to be in the Messiah explicitly requires one to walk in good works" is where the perversion comes in. If it be by grace then it is no more of works else grace would not BE grace (see Romans 11:6). Making "works" a requirement to be in Christ, to be saved, negates grace. In fact,

You who are trying to be justified by the law are alienated from Christ; you have fallen from grace. (Galatians 5:4)

[infool7]

It may sometimes seem like a large gang but

there are really only six five of them here on FR and

even those five rarely agree with each others more outlandish claims,

they aren't actually for anything but

they are all against One thing.

You can probably guess what that is.

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[nobamanomore]

I don’t think anyone has to guess

[daniel1212]

I appreciate being pinged to threads by you! I don't really know why some RCs have a problem with that and why they have to invent ridiculous sounding excuses for why it's looked down upon especially when they often do the same thing. If you ping a list of Freepers to a thread we might be interested in reading and joining (although being pinged does NOT make it mandatory), why should that be seen as bringing a "gang" to a street fight or as an invitation to "gang up" on someone? Seriously, I think some of these RCs are the equivalent of "snowflakes" of our time - they see every disagreement with their views as PERSONAL attacks and they need to escape to a quiet room to settle their nerves. If they REALLY think that, then as the RM advises, they should stick to their Caucus and Devotional threads and avoid OPEN RF ones. No one is forcing them to read anything. Poor dears! So, please keep pinging me to threads. I may not always have time to join in but I do read them and respect your knowledge and the efforts you take to document your resources and back up your opinions. God bless you!

Praise God for your heart for Truth and fellowship. Disciples invited other disciples in Scripture. To not ping others to new threads may indicate a problem.

[daniel1212]

No, that is not the "truth of the matter"! That is the accursed gospel of a works-based salvation religion. Yes, we ARE saved by grace through faith but saying "to be in the Messiah explicitly requires one to walk in good works" is where the perversion comes in. If it be by grace then it is no more of works else grace would not BE grace (see Romans 11:6). Making "works" a requirement to be in Christ, to be saved, negates grace. In fact,

But "that we are saved by grace through faith, and to be in the Messiah explicitly requires one to walk in good works" is correct and not contrary to being saved by faith and not by works is we understand it as meaning that believing means obeying, though the effect is not the cause of salvation.

Believers are known by whom they obey, but are saved by believing in whom they obey.

As forgiveness resulted in healing in Mark 2:1-12 (Whether is it easier to say to the sick of the palsy, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and take up thy bed, and walk?" and thus the terms could be used interchangeably, since healing as the effect of forgiveness when together, so it is promised, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house" (Acts 16:31) and "being made perfect [in experience, being tempted in all points as we are, yet without sin) he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him." (Hebrews 5:9)

However, Roman Catholicism teaches that one is not justified by effectual faith being counted for righteousness, but by actually becoming good enough in heart to be with God in this life or RC Purgatory. "By grace" of course.

[boatbums]

Oh boo, hoo, hoo! Cry me a river. Everyone is just pickin’ on y’all. Is that it? Please! It’s an OPEN Religion Forum thread. Read up on what to expect on the Religion Moderator’s home page.

[infool7]

I am not the one crying at all,

just stating reality.

If you have thin skin and can’t handle the rough and tumble nature of the FR RF perhaps you should stick to caucus threads.

Get back to me when you can rope in a sixth.

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[af_vet_1981]

Believers are known by whom they obey, but and are saved by believing in whom they obey.

I like it better like this.

However, Roman Catholicism teaches that one is not justified by effectual faith being counted for righteousness, but by actually becoming good enough in heart to be with God in this life or RC Purgatory. "By grace" of course.

Well the disciples/servants had better be on their toes ...

• Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.
• Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth.
• For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
• Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning;
• And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately.
• Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.
• And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.
• And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through.
• Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.
• Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all?
• And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season?
• Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
• Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.
• But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;
• The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.
• And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
• But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

Luke, Catholic chapter twelve, Protestant verses thirty two to forty eight,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

[boatbums]

And yet I’m actually engaging and discussing the topic of this thread with others instead of whining about those who disagree with me. What have you contributed?

[Salvation]

Good video about someone becoming a Catholic.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“even those five rarely agree with each others more outlandish claims,

I don’t think you are remotely correct in this claim.

We all follow the principle:

“In Essentials Unity, In Non-Essentials Liberty, In All Things Charity”

We agree on the essentials. We accept the non-essentials are not necessary for salvation and are often not clear in Scripture, so we disagree in charity.

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“they aren’t actually for anything but”

Here, I know your statement is false.

We are for Christ, His payment for sin, His Gospel of Grace, eternal life and the assurance of salvation.

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“they are all against One thing.”

So true - as Paul was, we are against every false gospel, whether cult, false religion, and especially those tho take the truth and add paganism to it, rendering it a false gospel.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“Good video about someone becoming a Catholic.”

ALWAYS about the Catholic Church and never about Christ.

Here are wonderful testimonies by former catholic priests and nuns who came to saving faith in Christ.

https://carm.org/testimonies-ex-roman-catholic-priests

[Luircin]

Aw, what’s the matter? Poor little Catholic can’t stand it when someone uses logic and Scripture to demolish his fake religion?

Perhaps he’s jealous that he only has a cadre of three instead of the five he’s continually whining about.

[infool7]

In All Things Charity

Ha!

The six five pals "theology" is unstable and absurdly inconsistent its arguements... unconvincing.

When six five pals post blatent falsehoods as fact, discussion is essentially pointless, wouldn't you say?

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[metmom]

even those five rarely agree with each others more outlandish claims,

Such as?

Put your money where your mouth is and post the links for examples.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“The six five pals “theology” is unstable and absurdly inconsistent its arguements... unconvincing.”

First, I cc’d 6 in addition to myself, so you are in error.

Second, your statement is about your understanding only, which makes sense...

“The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.”

I Cor 2:14

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“...post blatent falsehoods as fact, discussion is essentially pointless, wouldn’t you say?”

Please post the falsehoods. I’ve not seen any.

Cc: to seven believers

[metmom]

Such as?

Please provide links to the posts that are blatant falsehoods and explain why you think they are.