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Opposition Grows to Pope Francis’ Push for Change to the Our Father
LifeSite News ^ | 12/19/18 | Diane Montagna

Posted on 12/23/2018 6:43:37 PM PST by marshmallow

OME, December 19, 2018 (LifeSiteNews) – A number of theologians and biblical experts have spoken against Pope Francis’s wish to change the Italian translation of the Our Father.

One of these theologians, Monsignor Nicola Bux, has said the Italian bishops’ recent decision to replace the traditional translation of the petition “and lead us not into temptation” with a new version is tantamount to surrendering to the “feel-good conception of God” that is so “widespread among Catholics today.”

The “eagerness for change,” the former consultor to the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith under Pope Benedict XVI has said, is an expression of the “paradigm shift” or “cultural revolution” currently being promoted in the Church.

Bux’s comments come one year after Pope Francis advocated a change in the Lord’s prayer on Italian TV, saying the traditional translation of its sixth petition is “not good.”

Pope says it’s “not good”

The Italian translation of the Our Father’s sixth petition — “e non ci indurre in tentazione” — that is sung during the Mass, is patterned on the Latin “et ne nos inducas in tentationem” almost to the letter, as is the English rendering, “and lead us not into temptation.”

In the last official translation of the Bible into Italian, approved by the Holy See in 2008, we read “and do not abandon us to temptation.” But there’s another story behind the recent change to the Italian version of the Our Father for use in the Mass.

On Dec. 6, 2017, Pope Francis appeared with Fr. Marco Pozza on TV2000’s weekly program “Our Father” to talk about its sixth petition: “and lead us not into temptation.”

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1 posted on 12/23/2018 6:43:37 PM PST by marshmallow
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The original Greek “eisenegkes” does refer to a leading into, or bringing into. Also, “peirasmon” refers to being put to the test, or a severe trial. (From Matthew 6:13)


2 posted on 12/23/2018 6:56:22 PM PST by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Olog-hai
A word by word analysis of the Greek is at https://biblehub.com/text/matthew/6-13.htm. Unless someone has the original Aramaic written down, I doubt you can find better than the Greek version.
3 posted on 12/23/2018 7:43:48 PM PST by KarlInOhio (Leave the job, leave the clearance. It should be the same rule for the Swamp as for everyone else.)
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To: KarlInOhio

There is no original Aramaic. If the Apostles were divinely inspired to write and preserve the New Testament in Aramaic, they would have done so, just as the Masoretic Texts are in their original Hebrew and (in parts) Aramaic.


4 posted on 12/23/2018 7:50:28 PM PST by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: marshmallow

From the pope who wants to lead us all into temptation.


5 posted on 12/23/2018 9:14:40 PM PST by Slyfox (Not my circus, not my monkeys)
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To: KarlInOhio

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdXFIYug9HE

I’ve long liked this in Aramaic. Not sure of the translational sources, but it’s very hypnotic.


6 posted on 12/23/2018 9:20:08 PM PST by onedoug
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To: marshmallow

“Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.” (Matthew 4:1)

Seems like Jesus being “abandoned” by the Spirit in the wilderness rather than “led” would have some theological implications. Changing the scripture to please today’s dull-witted, ignorant people is an answer looking for a problem. Which is what political correctness is really all about. Don’t like reality? Pretend something else is the truth. The consequences are everywhere. Now it’s in the churches.

You don’t change difficult passages so you can deal with them more easily. You grapple with them to better understand them as they are. Jesus didn’t sugar-coat anything He said, either. This re-writing of the Bible business is heretical, in my opinion.


7 posted on 12/23/2018 10:11:15 PM PST by bluejean (I'm becoming a cranky old person. It really annoys me.)
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To: Slyfox

It’s terrible for a Pope to do that.

Hot women...not so much :)


8 posted on 12/24/2018 1:16:04 AM PST by dp0622 (The Left should know if.. Trump is kicked out of office, it is WAR!)
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To: marshmallow

“feel-good conception of God” that is so “widespread among Catholics today.”

It’s not just Catholics, it’s widespread throughout Protestant churches too. Unfortunately Catholics have more world wide power and influence over countries, their leaders and people than any Protestant group.

Sounds like more ‘End Times’ prophecy fulfillment.

Revelation 3:15-16 (KJV)
15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.


9 posted on 12/24/2018 3:08:03 AM PST by MagnoliaB (You can't always get what you want but if you try sometime you might find, you get what you need.)
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To: marshmallow

Is there any process by which a pope can be removed from office?


10 posted on 12/24/2018 4:43:10 AM PST by GoldenPup
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To: GoldenPup

I’m pretty sure the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals can remove a Pope.


11 posted on 12/24/2018 5:36:37 AM PST by Lawgvr1955 ( Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Slyfox

Pope Obama can say it any way he wants to. Good luck getting me to say it differently.


12 posted on 12/24/2018 6:03:45 AM PST by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: broken_arrow1

Yep. How is he going to enforce it?


13 posted on 12/24/2018 6:24:11 AM PST by Slyfox (Not my circus, not my monkeys)
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To: marshmallow

“Opposition grows to Pope Francis”, period.


14 posted on 12/24/2018 6:29:10 AM PST by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know. how people are infected with Ebola.")
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