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Does purgatory deny the sufficiency of Christ's sacrifice?
CARM ^ | 12/05/08 | Matt Slick

Posted on 11/05/2018 6:07:05 PM PST by Gamecock

According to the Handbook for Today's Catholic, page 47,

"If you die in the love of God but possess any stains of sin, such stains are cleansed away in a purifying process called Purgatory. These stains of sin are primarily the temporal punishment due to venial or mortal sins already forgiven but for which sufficient penance was not done during your lifetime."

The Catholic Catechism, paragraph 1030, says that Purgatory is for "All who die in God's grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation, but after death, they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven."

Among the many doctrines that Catholicism claims to be derived through Sacred Tradition, Purgatory is one of the most interesting and puzzling, particularly to a Protestant. In light of the Pauline doctrine of justification by grace through faith, how is it possible that an afterlife cleansing through punishment is necessary for a Christian who has trusted in Jesus to cleanse him from all His sins? Wasn't Jesus' punishment for our transgressions sufficient? Didn't He take our place in that He suffered our death? It would seem that the words of Christ, "It is finished," (John 19:30) do not mean that the cleansing of our souls was completed on the cross.

Of course, Roman Catholic doctrine states that eternal life is bestowed upon the one who receives baptism (Catechism, par. 1265 - 1266, 1992). It is the stains of the sins committed after baptism and not removed through penance, good works, prayers, the Mass, etc., that are removed in the fires of Purgatory (Handbook for Today's Catholic, page 47).

In light of the doctrine of justification by faith (Rom. 5:1; Rom. 4:5; Rom. 9:30; Acts 13:39; Gal. 2:16), where Jesus bore all of our sins, Purgatory would seem to have no theologically justifiable right to exist. But the Bible alone is not appealed to by Catholic theologians in support of Purgatory. By far, the main support for Purgatory is found in the Catholic doctrine of Sacred Tradition. Nevertheless, what does the Bible say about justification, punishment, and our sins?

What is justification by faith?

To justify means acquit, declare righteous, the opposite of condemn. It means to be not guilty of breaking the Law and to be deemed righteous by the standard of the Law.

God gave the Law, i.e, the Ten Commandments. The Law is a reflection of God's character and it is a perfect standard of righteousness which no one can keep. Since no one is able to keep God's Law, no one can be justified by the Law (Rom. 3:20). There is, therefore, none righteous (Rom. 3:10-12). This is the problem of all people. We have all broken God's Law and are in need of justification, of being declared righteous in God's sight. This can only be done through the Messiah, our sin-bearer.

Jesus is the one who took our place on the cross (1 Pet. 2:24), became sin on our behalf (2 Cor. 5:21), and turned away the wrath of God from us (Rom. 5:9) by being a propitiation (1 John 2:2) that turned away the wrath of God. He was punished in our place. Therefore, Jesus was our substitution. The righteous work of Christ is imputed to the believer by grace (Titus 3:7) and through faith (Rom. 5:1). This justification is a legal action on the part of God reckoning the believer as having satisfied the Law -- all of the Law.

It necessarily follows that to be justified in God's eyes, is to be fully justified. It is not part of the Law that must be satisfied, but all of it. Perfection is the standard. Likewise, it is not part of our sins that were borne by Christ, but all of them. This justification includes all of the sins of the believer (past, present, and future) or else we could not be justified.

What does the Catholic Catechism Say? The Catholic Catechism (paragraphs 1990-1992) says,

"Justification detaches man from sin which contradicts the love of God, and purifies his heart of sin. Justification follows upon God's merciful initiative of offering forgiveness. It reconciles man with God. It frees from the enslavement to sin, and it heals"...."Justification is at the same time the acceptance of God's righteousness through faith in Jesus Christ..." and "...justification is conferred in Baptism, the sacrament of faith. It conforms us to the righteousness of God, who makes us inwardly just by the power of his mercy."

Of particular interest is the reference that "justification is conferred in Baptism, the sacrament of faith." There are many verses in the Bible that deal with baptism and putting on Christ (Gal. 3:27; Rom. 6:1-11). This paper is not intended to discuss the nature of baptism. Nevertheless, I strongly affirm that baptism is a covenant sign for the believer who is already justified by faith and for the children of believers who are under the covenant headship of the family. Baptism is not what justifies a person. Rather,

Justification is a gift by His grace through Jesus (Rom. 3:24) Justification is by grace (Titus 3:7) Justification is by faith (Rom. 3:28; 5:1; Gal. 3:24) Justification is by Jesus' blood (Rom. 5:9). Justification is in the name of the Lord Jesus (1 Cor. 6:11). Justification is not equated with baptism, but with grace, faith, and the blood of Jesus. Jesus said, "It is finished," (John 19:30) Jesus bore our sins in His body, paid the penalty for them, and died. He said, "It is finished." In Greek, the phrase, "It is finished" is one word, tetelestai. In ancient Greek papyri texts that were receipts for taxes, when a debt was paid in full, the word tetelestai was written on the document. This meant that the debt had been paid in full. In other words, Jesus had finished the work of atonement. But not only atonement (to make amends, to make right), but also of propitiation (turning away God's wrath). He had fully paid the debt invoked by the sinner. There was nothing more to be done... It was finished.

Yet, the doctrine of Purgatory, in effect, is saying that we must suffer in Purgatory for sins not covered by baptism and not covered by the cross. It is to say that the work of Christ is not finished and that there are things we must do to complete the sacrificial, cleansing work of Christ. This amounts to earning heaven by our good works, albeit a work of suffering. Additionally, the doctrine of Purgatory implies that a person must atone for his own sins. It implies that the person must do more than what the Law of God requires of him. This is called supererogation.

When Jesus said, "It is finished," all that was necessary for the atonement was concluded and all in Christ were justified. We cannot complete or add to Christ's work through our suffering. Purgatory is not only unnecessary but also it contradicts God's Word.


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To: bwest; Gamecock
CARM is a rabidly anti-Catholic site. Not interested.

CARM is a very factually based site shedding the light on the false teachings of Roman Catholicism.

21 posted on 11/05/2018 6:39:40 PM PST by ealgeone (SCRIPTURE DOES NOT CHANGE!)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Yes it does, its an old mining town.


22 posted on 11/05/2018 6:39:43 PM PST by MrEdd (Caveat Emptor)
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To: Petrosius
Thus, even after sins are forgiven their wounds still exist.

So, according to you, Jesus' sacrifice was NOT sufficient for the forgiveness of our sin.

23 posted on 11/05/2018 6:41:01 PM PST by 2nd amendment mama (Self Defense is a Basic Human Right!)
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To: Petrosius

How do you know when you’ve done enough to get out of purgatory? I believe Christ died on the cross and rose again to pay the price for my sins. I am forgiven because the Bible tells me so.


24 posted on 11/05/2018 6:41:11 PM PST by Wm F Buckley Republican (?)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

You would have loved it! :)


25 posted on 11/05/2018 6:41:11 PM PST by Shark24
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To: bwest

Dear Bwest..

Look for ‘Truth’...

It’s ONLY found in Christ.

Christ ALONE.

Not ‘anti-catholic’......just the Truth.

Be well in His eternal love in HIS Son alone.


26 posted on 11/05/2018 6:43:51 PM PST by RevelationDavid (Jesus First, no matter the cost.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
Ah man, you beat me to it.

Sigh, ok, well, as I was gonna say next, "Next question please!"

27 posted on 11/05/2018 6:46:25 PM PST by ducttape45 ("Righteousness exalteth a nation; but sin is a reproach to any people." Proverbs 14:34)
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To: Petrosius

Dear Patrosius.....

Jesus in enough.... you need ‘Nothing’ else.

Free yourself from another ‘truth’....

God the Father placed ALL spiritual blessings in His Only Son....

....be ‘free’ in Christ Patrosius.

Leave EVERYTHING that in not HIM.

Best to you.


28 posted on 11/05/2018 6:46:41 PM PST by RevelationDavid (Jesus First, no matter the cost.)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

I am so sorry they can never be assured of their salvation. John 3:16 tells us that whosoever believes on Gods only begotten Son, will not perish but have everlasting life. Not one word about an intermediate place. Either you believe God’s promise, or you don’t. Believe!


29 posted on 11/05/2018 6:47:42 PM PST by Wm F Buckley Republican (?)
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To: 2nd amendment mama
So, according to you, Jesus' sacrifice was NOT sufficient for the forgiveness of our sin.

We are not talking about the forgiveness of sin but of the cleansing the soul of the damage caused by sin. Or do you say that faith in Jesus Christ removes all sinful inclinations, and that one will never sin afterwards?

30 posted on 11/05/2018 6:50:05 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: Wm F Buckley Republican

Purgatory also has a problem with the parable of the Prodigal Son. The father didn’t force his son to humiliate himself or suffer anymore. The fact that the son repented and sought his Father’s love again filled the Father with enough joy that all the son’s sins were forgiven and FORGOTTEN.


31 posted on 11/05/2018 6:52:24 PM PST by LukeL
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Purgatory was invented by the early church to bring in more treasure. The idea was used to sell indulgences to buy souls out of purgatory and send them on to heaven... Supposedly.

Totally un-scriptural and a complete scam. Anyone who still believes in a purgatory should have their head examined.


32 posted on 11/05/2018 6:54:57 PM PST by Bullish (I'm not going to say "I told you so" about FaceBook... I'm just going to put it in my tagline.)
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To: Gamecock

The work of Christ Jesus was fully accomplished on the Holy Cross. Our Savior pronounced it so, “ It Is finished.”

Our work will be finished, purified, “refined in fire, as silver”. Some things were a given. Thus, the money and prayer offerings for the dead apply to this purgation, and are scriptural.

The Protestant writer is short a few books.


33 posted on 11/05/2018 6:55:59 PM PST by RitaOK (Viva Christo Rey! Public Ed & Academia are the FARM TEAM for more Marxists coming, infinitum.)
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To: Petrosius

You just do not believe that Christ dying on the cross and rising again was enough, do you? The rest of your salvation depends on something that others must do to get you out of that imaginary place. Paying money is not going to do it. Christ did it for you. Accept the gift.


34 posted on 11/05/2018 6:58:12 PM PST by Wm F Buckley Republican (?)
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To: RitaOK

Money and prayer offering for the dead? Then you do not have faith that what Christ did was sufficient so the rest depends on something humans must do. How do you know when you’re done?


35 posted on 11/05/2018 7:03:05 PM PST by Wm F Buckley Republican (?)
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To: Gamecock

It’s a two sided coin. While a person may be forgiven, they may not forgive themselves, and suffer from their guilt. So purgatory might be a place for them to find forgiveness in their hearts for their own sins, so they can clearly see the forgiveness that has always been there for them.


36 posted on 11/05/2018 7:05:01 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Liberals have become moralistic, dogmatic, sententious, self-righteous, pinch-faced prudes.)
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To: Wm F Buckley Republican
I am so sorry they can never be assured of their salvation. John 3:16 tells us that whosoever believes on Gods only begotten Son, will not perish but have everlasting life. Not one word about an intermediate place. Either you believe God’s promise, or you don’t. Believe!

First, the souls in Purgatory are assured of their salvation. Their sins have been forgiven and once their souls are purged of any remaining residue of sin each and every one will enter into Heaven.

Also, please read Galatians 5:19-21:

Now the works of the flesh are obvious: immorality, impurity, licentiousness, idolatry, sorcery, hatreds, rivalry, jealousy, outbursts of fury, acts of selfishness, dissensions, factions, occasions of envy, drinking bouts, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
These words are addressed to believing Christians. Faith alone is not enough, we must also turn away from our sins. Of course James also makes this clear:
What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister has nothing to wear and has no food for the day, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, keep warm, and eat well,” but you do not give them the necessities of the body, what good is it? So also faith of itself, if it does not have works, is dead. Indeed someone may say, “You have faith and I have works.” Demonstrate your faith to me without works, and I will demonstrate my faith to you from my works. You believe that God is one. You do well. Even the demons believe that and tremble. Do you want proof, you ignoramus, that faith without works is useless? Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar? You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by the works. Thus the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called “the friend of God.” See how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. And in the same way, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she welcomed the messengers and sent them out by a different route? For just as a body without a spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead. (James 2:14-26)
Salvation requires more than just faith that Jesus paid the price for our sins. Thus the Bible teaches.
37 posted on 11/05/2018 7:05:12 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: RevelationDavid

...Jesus in enough.... you need ‘Nothing’ else.

Free yourself from another ‘truth’....
___________________________

Won’t it be funny when you meet Patrosius in Purgatory?

Rest assured, all souls in purgatory eventually make it into heaven.

No soul in hell gets out.


38 posted on 11/05/2018 7:09:54 PM PST by BarbM ( President Trump: MAGA)
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To: LukeL
Purgatory also has a problem with the parable of the Prodigal Son.

Not at all! The prodigal son first repented of his sins. He could not just saunter back home and demand the fatted calf with the assurance that his father had forgiven him.

39 posted on 11/05/2018 7:11:10 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius

Chapter & verse, please.


40 posted on 11/05/2018 7:17:25 PM PST by ctdonath2 (The Red Queen wasn't kidding.)
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