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If you want to stay on topic, don't go back five centuries. YOU brought up Pius V, not me.

We're talking about Vatican II, and necessarily the 2 or 3 generations that preceded it and PRODUCED it. You have yet to address the fact that Vatican II grew out of the "Traditional Catholicism" of the early-mid XX Century. You have yet to deal with the fact that all of the problems, and all of the troublemakers, that made Vatican II and came out of Vatican II, sprouted and grew in the "Traditional Catholicism" that preceded it. Vatican II DID NOT HAPPEN IN A VACUUM.

Do you think the Church can ever keep sodomites out of the clergy?

100%? Of course not. That's no excuse for covering up all the sodomites, heretics, and infidels. Find them and expel them. We MUST do a better job of priestly and religious formation, a better job of catechesis, a better job of adult theological education, than the "Traditional Catholicism" of the early-mid XX Century did. The educational disaster that followed Vatican II does not excuse the educational failures that preceded it. The two condemn each other; the latter produced the former.

The Holy Mass, codified by Pope St. Pius V, was in universal use until VC II. There are no “degrees” of traditional Catholicism, whether it was in the 1500’s or 1950’s.

After VC II, Paul VI suppressed that Mass and mandated Bugnini’s Mass.

What followed is not traditional Catholicism.

If you want to stay on topic, don't go back five centuries. YOU brought up Pius V, not me.

Traditional Catholicism goes back twenty centuries. It was you first brought up "traditional catholicism" in your first post, #13.

VC II and the novus ordo are not "traditional catholicism".