[ebb tide]

If you want to stay on topic, don't go back five centuries. YOU brought up Pius V, not me.

Traditional Catholicism goes back twenty centuries. It was you first brought up "traditional catholicism" in your first post, #13.

VC II and the novus ordo are not "traditional catholicism".

[NorthMountain]

It was you first brought up "traditional catholicism"

You're wrong, again.

The phrase "traditional Catholicism" appears very early in the original post. I didn't bring it up. The original post brought it up.

You did read the original post. Right?