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To: marshmallow; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; kinsman redeemer; BlueDragon; metmom; boatbums; ...
Under Pope Francis, the Church is now “openly ruled by an individual rather than by the authority of Scripture alone or even its own dictates of tradition plus Scripture,” a Vatican advisor has said.

Maybe he literally believes that,

"the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered," (CCC 882)

Can. 331 By virtue of his office he possesses supreme, full, immediate, and universal ordinary power in the Church, which he is always able to exercise freely.

Can. 1404 M The First See is judged by no one. Code of Canon Law - IntraText

First Vatican Council: So, then, if anyone says that the Roman Pontiff has merely an office of supervision and guidance, and not the full and supreme power of jurisdiction over the whole Church, and this not only in matters of faith and morals, but also in those which concern the discipline and government of the Church dispersed throughout the whole world; or that he has only the principal part, but not the absolute fullness, of this supreme power; or that this power of his is not ordinary and immediate both over all and each of the Churches and over all and each of the pastors and faithful: let him be anathema. [so much for the EOs] — First Vatican Council, Chapter 3 (1869-1870)

That he himself may be judged by no one. - http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/g7-dictpap.asp

"We read that the Roman Pontiff has pronounced judgments on the prelates of all the churches; we do not read that anybody has pronounced sentence on him"... The reason for which is stated thus: "there is no authority greater than that of the Apostolic See"... "That which the First See has not approved of cannot stand;..." — Leo XIII - Satis cognitum; http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/leo_xiii/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_29061896_satis-cognitum_en.html

Whether a pope can be declared a heretic, contrary to his own supreme judgment, and thus cease to be a Christian and a member of the body of the Church, and thus be deposed against his will, is matter of debate (which it seems only a pope can settle). Arguing against this, Cajetan Bellarmine states,

For if the Church deposes the Pope against his will it is certainly above the Pope...it must be observed in the first place that, from the fact that the Pope deposes bishops, it is deduced that the Pope is above all the bishops, though the Pope on deposing a bishop does not destroy the episcopal jurisdiction, but only separates it from that person. In the second place, to depose anyone from the pontificate against the will of the deposed, is without doubt punishing him; however, to punish is proper to a superior or to a judge. In the third place, given that according to Cajetan and the other Thomists, in reality the whole and the parts taken as a whole are the same thing, he who has authority over the parts taken as a whole, being able to separate them one from another, has also authority over the whole itself which is constituted by those parts. - https://www.fisheaters.com/bellarmine.html

Moreover, 'the one duty of the multitude is to allow themselves to be led, and, like a docile flock, to follow the Pastors," "to suffer themselves to be guided and led in all things that touch upon faith or morals by the Holy Church of God through its Supreme Pastor the Roman Pontiff," "of submitting with docility to their judgment," with "no discussions regarding what he orders or demands, or up to what point obedience must go, and in what things he is to be obeyed... not only in person, but with letters and other public documents ;" and 'not limit the field in which he might and must exercise his authority, " for "obedience must not limit itself to matters which touch the faith: its sphere is much more vast: it extends to all matters which the episcopal power embraces," and not set up "some kind of opposition between one Pontiff and another. Those who, faced with two differing directives, reject the present one to hold to the past, are not giving proof of obedience to the authority which has the right and duty to guide them," "Nor must it be thought that what is expounded in Encyclical Letters does not of itself demand consent." (Sources http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3578348/posts?page=14#14)

12 posted on 08/16/2018 3:09:14 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: daniel1212
Betcha a penny the vast majority of Roman Catholics are not aware of the "rules" you posted.

Appreciate your work as always.

13 posted on 08/16/2018 4:12:52 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: daniel1212

Could you put me on your ping list?

GREAT post...


14 posted on 08/16/2018 5:02:34 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: daniel1212
Those are excellent quotes. This is why sedevacantists look to the Catholic teaching of Saint Bellarmine, Doctor of the Church, on the matter of a heretic pope:

Therefore, the true opinion is the fifth, according to which the Pope who is manifestly a heretic ceases by himself to be Pope and head, in the same way as he ceases to be a Christian and a member of the body of the Church; and for this reason he can be judged and punished by the Church. This is the opinion of all the ancient Fathers, who teach that manifest heretics immediately lose all jurisdiction..

First, manifest heretic ceases by himself to be pope (and therefore no longer pope, so can be judged)

Second, Church official declaration of the first (therefore not judging "the pope").

18 posted on 08/16/2018 5:21:33 AM PDT by piusv (Pray for a return to the pre-Vatican II (Catholic) Faith)
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To: daniel1212
Under Pope Francis, the Church is now “openly ruled by an individual rather than by the authority of Scripture alone or even its own dictates of tradition plus Scripture,” a Vatican advisor has said.

He make an apparition cry...

22 posted on 08/16/2018 5:26:42 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: daniel1212
Can. 1404 M The First See is judged by no one. Code of Canon Law - IntraText

It would seem to me; that any one who WOULD actually 'judge' him would have the beginning markings of PROTESTANTISM upon them.

23 posted on 08/16/2018 5:28:23 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: daniel1212

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

THIS is why I cannot believe that Jesus would put that kind of unbridled power into the hands of one man.

Same with the claimed power to remit or retain sins.

No one person should have the ability or power to determine another’s place for eternity and I don’t think that Jesus would have given that kind of power to so easily fallible and corruptible men.


26 posted on 08/16/2018 5:45:30 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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To: daniel1212
The distinctives of the/a current Imperator. Does the power extend past the grave? No. Or yes, if the current Imp is silent, but then "No" if the present Imp rules otherwise over the exImp(s). Or over the Scripture-giving Savior and His Spirit if need be.

The (Absolute) King is dead. Long live The King (until dead). Etc.

Isaiah 14:12-17 (AV):

12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!
how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart,
"I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation,
in the sides of the north:
14
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds;
I will be like the most High.
"
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying,
"Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
17
That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof;
that opened not the house of his prisoners?"

Humpf !

So who writes the catechumen's Book of Rules, the "Pontiff"? Or the "Magic Steering Bums"?
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"Pontiff" -- a truncated form of the office "Pontifex Maximus" (click here), a term meaning Highest Priest," very aptly carried forward from the pre-Christian ancient man-made Roman religion into the manifestly man-made state religion called Catholicism, a fourth-century imitation of the true Church of God proclaimed by Jesus of Nazareth, the long-heralded Messiach of the Jews. The True Church, not to be confused with Romanism, was supernaturally instituted in Jerusalem at the Pentecostal feast of 33 A. D.

This True Church, which Romanism made a supreme effort to supersede and quash, has never been completely blotted out, the remnants of which, from generation to generation of spirit-born disciples, has valiantly survived to this day. The Romanistic Catholic opponent is now in the last of its death-throes prior to the Second Coming of the Heavenly King and Prince of Peace Who will vanquish all these man-made religions when He sets up His thousand-year Kingdom of Righteousness and Peace to obliterate them.

(As you well know and I merely reiterate here.)

34 posted on 08/16/2018 8:14:41 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: daniel1212

Appreciate the research you put into this. God bless.


64 posted on 08/17/2018 11:59:38 PM PDT by redleghunter (Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation)
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