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Further, St. Peter in Acts includes children when he requires baptism: “‘Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the holy Spirit. For the promise is made to you and to your children and to all those far off, whomever the Lord our God will call’” (Acts 2:38-39).

The promise is the Holy Spirit, not baptism. Nor are infants specified.

The context is you and generations and those who are far off. Meaning the Gospel is for everyone, as verified by the Holy Spirit.

St. Paul says: “In [Christ] you were circumcised with a circumcision not administered by hand, by stripping off the carnal body, with the circumcision of Christ. You were buried with him in baptism …” (Col 2:11-12). Calling baptism the “circumcision of Christ” links it to a practice performed on the eighth day after birth. The analogy seems far less meaningful or sensible if only adults were baptized.

Arch-Pope Faux Interpretation. Take a fact, circumcision, and then attempt to link everything concerning circumcision to your preconceived idea of what should happen.

Paul is talking about adults who came to faith in Christ and not children.

And, of course, Jesus said, “Let the children come to me; do not prevent them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these” (Mk 10:14).

Not one wet infant present in the passage, except in the mind of Arch-Pope.

But later he adds, “Amen, amen, I say to you, no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit” (Jn 3:5). So the little children belong to the kingdom but must enter in the water of baptism and the grace of the Holy Spirit.

Later, in a different Gospel. Good try joining the passages to try to find wet infants.

Another logical fallacy and improper interpretation. It is the false connection of two different things. Wishogesis connecting them to a third idea not mentioned - wet infants.

Finally, as to the practice of the early Church, infant baptism is clearly attested in numerous places. Hippolytus wrote in 215 A.D. about baptizing households or large groups: “Baptize first the children, and if they can speak for themselves let them do so. Otherwise, let their parents or other relatives speak for them” (“The Apostolic Tradition” 21:16).

Again, Arch-Pope has to go out 200 years, instead of seeing what the Apostles did in the actual early church.

All told, this is a fairly typical Arch-Pope article.

11 posted on 08/11/2018 10:45:21 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

The priest’s words —

I baptize you, child’s name, in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit with three dips of water.

The Holy Spirit is there.


23 posted on 08/11/2018 11:12:49 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
St. Paul says: “In [Christ] you were circumcised with a circumcision not administered by hand, by stripping off the carnal body, with the circumcision of Christ. You were buried with him in baptism …” (Col 2:11-12). Calling baptism the “circumcision of Christ” links it to a practice performed on the eighth day after birth. The analogy seems far less meaningful or sensible if only adults were baptized. Arch-Pope Faux Interpretation. Take a fact, circumcision, and then attempt to link everything concerning circumcision to your preconceived idea of what should happen.

They always seem to forget that only baby BOYS were circumcised!

141 posted on 08/11/2018 4:05:47 PM PDT by boatbums (Not by works of righteousness which we have done but according to His mercy he saved us.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Again, Arch-Pope has to go out 200 years, instead of seeing what the Apostles did in the actual early church.

Tell us again when your church was started. I’m assuming it was during the Apostolic age.


165 posted on 08/11/2018 6:33:52 PM PDT by nobamanomore
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