At the name of Jesus

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At the name of Jesus

Bowing at the mention of Jesus’ name is an old practice that has since fallen into wide disuse

Msgr. Charles Pope June 10, 2018

Question: I was taught to nod my head when the name of Jesus was spoken. I see some priests and congregants do it, but not most. What is the current practice? — Diane Garrett, via email

Answer: Liturgically it is not required. This is a pious custom that, while less common today, is still observed by many. This is not only in the liturgy, but at any time the name of Jesus is uttered, and also, quite commonly, the name of Mary. In the traditional Latin Mass, where clergy wear birettas (a kind of square hat with a pom), there is the additional tipping (lifting off) of the biretta at the names of Jesus, Mary and the saint of the day. This external and very visible action also helped the faithful remember to bow their heads.

This laudable custom has sadly declined. Some clergy and others still observe it, and, while it is not required, it is worthy of being encouraged. Other customs too should not be forgotten, such as making the Sign of the Cross when passing a Catholic Church, praying the Angelus at noon and 6 p.m., and so forth. The generations raised in the 1960s and ’70s largely abandoned such practices. However, many of their children have rediscovered some of these lost customs like a precious heirloom brought down from the attic. Thus, while being careful not to harshly judge those who do not follow this non-required custom, many can joyfully take it up again and encourage others to do so.

[metmom]

Exodus 20 has the God given list of the Ten Commandments.

No need for anyone to make up their own like Romanism did.

[blackpacific]

Inspired by God:
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness,

Human reason running amuck:
but it MUST be used along with Catholic traditions and teachings or folks will NEVER understand it!

[MHGinTN]

Thank you for the reminder!

Saving faith is detected by the way the life proceeds from the confession that Jesus is the One Whom God sent for our redemption. Faith is an action word, something to be exercised daily as His family members.

The temptations of life will not disappear upon being born again, but if the worldly still has our attention we should examine our self. Calling out to the Lord of Grace is a daily routine with the born again, for we have begun a relationship with the Sinless One and as members of His family, we are to grow in grace and knowledge that reflects the family nature.

The devils don't have saving faith because their pride refuses to ask for forgiveness and seek His guidance. Devils know Jesus but refuse to be humble and grow in grace and knowledge of His nature and His family. Scripture tells us that the broken and contrite heart God will in no way cast out.

I have grown to hate the sin nature which burbles up occasionally. But He is faithful (continually on the scene in my spirit which was once dead) to cleanse me from the act of anger or pride or deceit which I have grown to hate in the old man still scruffling around in this old body.

Thanks be to God, a new behavior mechanism and new body fit for eternity is coming soon to a spirit which belongs to Him. My old nature no longer owns this old body or this old mind. How is this done, with the old man of sin still in residence? well, by faith daily exercised that He will raise us up in the way that we should go.

Hearing the still small voice telling us not to do certain things we are drawn to, then striving daily to avoid those things by the power of His love and constant pre4sence in us is growing in grace and knowledge.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“but it MUST be used along with Catholic traditions and teachings or folks will NEVER understand it!”

I don’t see this added to the Timothy passage.

I conclude you made it up.

Now perhaps you can show some evidence to support your claim. If so, please show that Catholic traditions are required to understand Scripture.

Also, please prove Roman teachings are required to understand Scripture.

(And here I note there is no Official Bible commentary, nor any official list of traditions Paul referred to...)

I guess you will also need to:

1. Invalidate Christ’s teaching that the Holy Spirit will lead us into all truth.
2. Invalidate the very passage under discussion that says Scripture can make the man of God mature.

Whatcha got FRamigo?

[metmom]

Even is everyone of us could live a perfect sin free life from this moment on, it cannot erase the debt we all owe for our past sins.

Those ate still on our record and the only thing tha tforgives sin is the shed blood of Jesus applied to the life of the believer when he receives Jesus.

[daniel1212]

And those born of His Spirit WILL do His will. It’s in their nature to do so and is the natrual outworking of new life in Christ.

Which includes repentance when conviction of not walking according to the Lord's will. But when dealing with the two "sola's" of the Reformation, Cath apologists seem to think the "alone" in SS means that Scripture formally provides all that is needed (which would even include the ability to reason), and that the "alone" sola fide means salvation by a faith that is alone, that is inert. not effectual in producing obedience by the Spirit of Christ. And then they make the effect of faith the cause of the state of justification, versus works being the evidential basis for declaring one is a true holy believer.

[daniel1212]

I think the LETTER that the One True Church officials wrote in Acts chapter 15 should definitely clear this matter up....The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses."

Yes, it was requiring circumcision, and what it represented, that was the issue, and with the definitive, Scripturally substantiated conclusive judgment being declared by James, confirmatory of the exhortation of Peter and his testimony and that of Paul and Barnabas. And not by Peter saying (as Pope Boniface VIII in Unam Sanctam). "We declare, say, define, and pronounce..."

[ealgeone]

Not only has Rome made theirs up but they edited out key portions of the Ten Commandments. The magnitude of this error cannot be overstated.

[blackpacific]

It was something Elsie said, not me.

“but it MUST be used along with Catholic traditions and teachings or folks will NEVER understand it!”

I don’t see this added to the Timothy passage.

I conclude you made it up.

[infool7]

I don’t know what this “Rome” is you keep pratteling on about.

You believe in Christ Jesus?

Christ Jesus founded One Church.

Christ Jesus longed we be as one.

The One Church Christ Jesus founded is True.

The One True Church is Holy.

The One True Church is Catholic.

The One True Church is Apostolic.

This is the Church that gave us the Bible.

The Bible is the source of the Ten Commandments

The Ten Commandments that I posted are from the:
One True Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church founded by Christ Jesus.

The Men that made up your version did so outside the authority of the Fathers, Doctors, Martyrs and Saints of the
One True Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church founded by Christ Jesus. I do not consider your version authentic or credible.

Capiche?

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[aMorePerfectUnion]

😂 (If you used quote marks, I’d have known it wasn’t something you said.)

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“Christ Jesus founded One Church.”

Please show any evidence for this assertion.

“The Men that made up your version did so outside the authority of the Fathers, Doctors, Martyrs and Saints of the
One True Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church founded by Christ Jesus.”

Not so. The Scriptures are directly from God.

“ I do not consider your version authentic or credible.”

I can’t consider Rome credible, since it devolved into syncretic paganism.

[ealgeone]

I don’t know what this “Rome” is you keep pratteling on about.

Then you are in a very distinct minority.

In religious matters when one refers to Rome it means the Vatican representing the Roman Catholic church.

Another example would be when reporters note, Washington has not offered a position, etc....Washington, meaning the capital of the USA.

The Ten Commandments that I posted are from the: One True Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church founded by Christ Jesus.

Blantantly false as I will demonstrate below.

The Men that made up your version did so outside the authority of the Fathers, Doctors, Martyrs and Saints of the One True Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church founded by Christ Jesus. I do not consider your version authentic or credible.

The One Who, to use your term, "made up your version", was none other than God Himself as He gave the Ten Commandments to Moses.

I will re-post again for your edification.

And to be clear....the Ten Commandments on the left of the table are from Exodus. The ones on the right are from YOUR man-derived and edited source.

I invite your fellow Roman Catholics to afirm or deny your claim as to what has or has not been edited and by whom.

I will say again in all sincerity. The list you have provided is a selective editing of the Ten Commandments. Your denomination has crossed over into blasphemy in it's editing of the passage from Exodus. The passage in Exodus has been edited to suit your denomination's allowance of the worship of idols of Mary and to serve her in contradiction of what is recorded in Exodus.

Exodus 20:3-17.	Beginning Catholic 10 Commandments
3 You shall have no other gods before Me	I am the LORD your God. You shall worship the Lord your God and Him only shall you serve. NOTE: The Traditional Catechetical Formula reads as follows I am the LORD your God: you shall not have strange Gods before me .
4“You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. 5“You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me,6but showing lovingkindness to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
7“You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not leave him unpunished who takes His name in vain.	You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.
8“Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9“Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10but the seventh day is a sabbath of the LORD your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. 11“For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.	Remember to keep holy the Sabbath day.
12“Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be prolonged in the land which the LORD your God gives you.	Honor your father and your mother.
13“You shall not murder.	You shall not kill.
14“You shall not commit adultery.	You shall not commit adultery.
15“You shall not steal.	You shall not steal.
16“You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.	You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
17“You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife or his male servant or his female servant or his ox or his donkey or anything that belongs to your neighbor.”	You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife.
	You shall not covet your neighbor’s goods.

[Luircin]

This is reason 2 why people call FRomans hateful.

No engagement, no debate, no sources. Nothing but condescension, personal attacks, and baseless talking points ad nauseum.

[Al Hitan]

Then post your version of the Ten Commamdments alongside the Ten Commandments from the Bible.

Could you please quote scripture enumerating the ten commandments as you like them, along with the chapter and verse being quoted.

[imardmd1]

The new spirit body physical apparatus when joined to the person's being, which is his/her born-again new person, thus becoming a tripartite whole person again, as Jesus again was reconstituted when He rose from out of the dead ones. Make no mistake, when Jesus commended His spirit into the Father's hands, His soul went to Hell. and His body went into the grave, He was dead. Dead, dead, dead. But when His soul and spirit were again joined together, He had a body of flesh-and-bones (Lk. 24:39), not flesh-and-blood (1 Cor. 15:50), for His Blood had been placed on the the Mercy Seat of Heaven (Heb. 9:22-24) forever. His Blood was separated from His Body at the Cross, never to be joined with it again.

But for us, when our souls and spirit are separated from this old body, our spirits will go to heaven as His did; but unlike Him, our souls will never have to go to hell, for He has experienced it for us. Our souls will also with our spirits to the Paradise of Heaven, to remain there until each one of us is rejoined to a newly formed and risen body like His, of flesh and bones (1 Jn. 3:2) at the moment of the harpadzo, the snatching-away, the Rapture (1 Thess. 4:16-17) when the rising bodies of all, and those at that point living go up to meet Him in the clouds, hig in the air, when God's Heaven intersects with the temporal universe for a moment.

At least, this is my picture of the process, just touching the high points, and making no excuse at this brief moment for its sketchiness. And right now, I don't have the time to explain this at length. Just ponder on it, and later on, maybe I will get a chance to fill out the blanks.

A pictorial representation can be found at THE MYSTERY OF LIFE AFTER DEATH -- THE PIT (GRAVE)

when you go there and click on "The Grave".

[ealgeone]

>>Then post your version of the Ten Commamdments alongside the Ten Commandments from the Bible.<<

Could you please quote scripture enumerating the ten commandments as you like them, along with the chapter and verse being quoted.

Please see my post 453.

[imardmd1]

There's no Scripture that I see that will tell straight out. But since this happened before the moment of Jesus propitiation for the sins of mankind, perhaps in the holding pen of "Abraham's bosom" (=Paradise) before it was separated from Hades and joined to God's Heaven.

[Luircin]

That or the sacrifice of Jesus transcends our concept of time.

[imardmd1]

It is what is commonly accepted that the Scripture says in that passage:

2 Cor. 5:6,8 AV:

⁶ Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body,
we are absent from the Lord:
⁸ We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body,
and to be present with the Lord.

The context makes it clear that temporally, the flesh-and-blood body that is currently my vehicle cannot occupy space in heaven, but in heaven, God has intermediate housing to sequester the "me" of me and keep it safe until it is to be reconstituted with another real, but spiritually energized vehicle that will have a very similar humanoid bilateral appearance to that of Jesus on the Emmaus road, or with His disciples in the forty days prior to his final transition from the earthly sphere to the heavenly one.

But I do hope there is some raspberry pie and ice cream there.