Thanks for your thoughts.

To me, speculation regarding what an infant is aware of might be mysticism or possibly the understanding of future science. I don’t know. To me, it’s anecdotal level info, but if it’s mysticism to you, that’s okay with me.

As to whether or not an infant is a sinner, the usual response seems to be Romans 3:23: “For all have sinned...”

How an infant has sinned, I don’t know, but the quote says “all”. That’s not mysticism to me.

As to the Eyes of our Creator being the first thing we see? That came from one of the messages in TLIG. I don’t remember which or I’d post it.

As to whether the messages in TLIG are mysticism or what they claim to be, that is still beyond my rank and pay grade. However, my first reaction was that it’s real.

However, I like stuff like that and my bias is always against placing the limits of my understanding or yours on what God is allowed to do or what His Gifts to us might be, especially so the closer we get to the end of the story.

That’s just my humble opinion, of course.

As to whether or not an infant is a sinner, the usual response seems to be Romans 3:23: “For all have sinned...” How an infant has sinned, I don’t know, but the quote says “all”. That’s not mysticism to me.

And Scripture also speaks of children not having done good or evil before they were born, (Romans 9:11) and of a times when a "child shall know to refuse the evil" (Isaiah 7:16) thus such cannot be culpable for sin before that time. Meaning "all have sinned" refers to those who are accountable beings, not infants at conception or before they are able to know right from wrong and choose btwn the two.

But at least here you are attempting to deal with a doctrinal issue based on what Scripture says, rather than appeal to mysticism in lieu of Scriptural substantiation.

As to whether or not an infant is a sinner, the usual response seems to be Romans 3:23: “For all have sinned...”

Except MARY!!!

is the other response.

Luke 2:22-24

When the time came for the purification rites required by the Law of Moses, Joseph and Mary took him to Jerusalem to present him to the Lord (as it is written in the Law of the Lord, “Every firstborn male is to be consecrated to the Lord”), and to offer a sacrifice in keeping with what is said in the Law of the Lord: “a pair of doves or two young pigeons.”

Leviticus 12:7-8

Then he shall offer it before the LORD and make atonement for her, and she shall be cleansed from the flow of her blood. This is the law for her who bears a child, whether a male or a female.
'But if she cannot afford a lamb, then she shall take two turtledoves or two young pigeons, the one for a burnt offering and the other for a sin offering; and the priest shall make atonement for her, and she will be clean.'"

Sinless Mary??

Not according to Rome's Book; 1 John 1:8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.

That's the way it is WRITTEN.

THIS is the way it is TAUGHT: 1 John 1:8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us; the only exception being Mary, Mother of GOD, of course.

Rome has made IT's 'Mary' into a HYPOCRIT, by painting her as SINLESS, yet writing of her going into the temple to make a SIN offering.