Posted on 06/08/2018 8:54:57 AM PDT by Salvation
Which unquestioning flag-saluting is actually indicative of uncritical thinking,
But Bible stories? Not so much...probably because you can’t prove them to the skeptical’s five senses and rational mind.
Which denial is actually indicative of superficial seeking. The overall credibility of Scripture is well evidenced, including the profound changes in hearts and lives resulting from Biblical regeneration/conversion to Christ on Bible terms. Which ultimately defy naturalistic explanations.
Watch some well made videos here and tell me the cause behind the effect without recourse to deifying nature.
So many beautifully articulated Truths on this thread ... and your post is truly one of them.
That is obvious, as is that this conclusion is being avoided.
And you have rejected JESUS telling JOhn to Write, in The Revelation. So why do you cherry pick so arduously?
placemarker
Ah, the Mormon plea has now crept from the moldy Catholic Mindset.
To me, speculation regarding what an infant is aware of might be mysticism or possibly the understanding of future science. I don’t know. To me, it’s anecdotal level info, but if it’s mysticism to you, that’s okay with me.
As to whether or not an infant is a sinner, the usual response seems to be Romans 3:23: “For all have sinned...”
How an infant has sinned, I don’t know, but the quote says “all”. That’s not mysticism to me.
As to the Eyes of our Creator being the first thing we see? That came from one of the messages in TLIG. I don’t remember which or I’d post it.
As to whether the messages in TLIG are mysticism or what they claim to be, that is still beyond my rank and pay grade. However, my first reaction was that it’s real.
However, I like stuff like that and my bias is always against placing the limits of my understanding or yours on what God is allowed to do or what His Gifts to us might be, especially so the closer we get to the end of the story.
That’s just my humble opinion, of course.
Oh really?
So what explains the major doctrinal differences between the Roman rite and the Orthodox?
They have been in schism from each other for on 1,000 years and counting, with both each claiming that they are the original Catholic church with the other being the schismatics.
You condemn your own denomination especially considering that despite those differences y'all claim that all Catholic churches are in communion with each other.
For that matter, you all don't even agree within yourselves. There's the whole pre and post Vatican 2 crowd and a whole host of FRoman Catholics here who reject the current pope.
Which by your own criteria would then prove that Catholicism isn't of God because otherwise, they'd all agree.
So when all Catholic rites don't agree on all doctrinal issues, that's OK but when it's non-Catholics, they are condem3ned for it and it's used as proof that they are not from God.
That is just such major league hypocrisy it isn't even close to being funny.
Then you need to re-read the Gospels.
1 Corinthians 1:11-17 For it has been reported to me by Chloe's people that there is quarreling among you, my brothers. What I mean is that each one of you says, “I follow Paul,” or “I follow Apollos,” or “I follow Cephas,” or “I follow Christ.” Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?
I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, so that no one may say that you were baptized in my name. (I did baptize also the household of Stephanas. Beyond that, I do not know whether I baptized anyone else.) For Christ did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel, and not with words of eloquent wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.
Romans 10:9-13 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
Why do you think he should have to run all over the place searching the internet for something that you claim is the truth?
You got something?
Post it...
If you don’t, then you have nothing.
Just out of curiosity, Catholic traditions and Orthodox traditions seem to be similar to my untrained eye.
I’m not taking sides, just wondering why you single out the Catholics?
Is it because of the Pope or Rome or something else?
I and most readers who think about it, understand why this lie is so precious to you, a Catholic Priest. If this lie is exposed for its falseness it removes some of the power your ORG (rhymes with Bord) has vested to you. But the Scriptures expose this lie in many passages, not the least of which is 'Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.'
I can’t speak for others, but I know the reason that I tend to get defensive around Catholics on this board. It’s largely because of the continued threads on the Religion Forum that get posted that are all about bashing non-Catholic Christians. Or even if you want to not call the threads bashing, a lot of the posters tend to be very angry and hateful towards us.
A guy kind of develops a spiky exterior after months of having to deal with that, and it’s easy to introduce even the most innocent of queries to the spikes because we’re so used to the personal attacks.
Sola Placemarkia
Thank you! And the same for you and yours!
In answer to that question, it is something Christ followers are instructed to do, contend for the faith once delivered. And why contend? Because early on in the Age of God's Grace in Christ for us satan sent fo0lks into the body of believers to sow tares/lies and false dogma and blasphemous rituals. It began so early that we have record of a first Ekklesia Council (chptr 15 of ACTS) dealing with the false insertions rising in the midst of the body of believers. Oddly, what the Council sent as their message (which they said seemed good to the Holy Spirit) the admonition against has been raised to central empowerment in Catholicism ... and sadly, many Protestant communities.
I’ve learned more about how Satan attacks us, tricks and tactics, that sort of thing, and I am getting better at recognizing his assaults in/on my own thoughts, thanks largely to what I’ve read in the messages and heard elsewhere.
Satan is freaking powerful, but Jesus can take him, anytime, anywhere, and give you His Peace in place of whatever Satan doing.
Honestly, whether we are aware of it or not, without Jesus’ Supernatural intervention, I think way more of us would suicide than do.
That much, I definitely agree with.
One of the big things learning about Scripture and Jesus is the knowledge of who wins in the end. So even when terrible things happen, Jesus is the winner; end of story.
And not only does Jesus win against the devil, he also overcame my own sin nature and saved me, and promised eternal life. That’s powerful too.
Prayers that we both sustain this mindset, by the grace of God!
What I was trying to do was make a point without adding names, specifically,to the comment.
What one little back and forth revealed was that there are Protestants (protesters of Rome) in the world that are sensitive to any questioning of certain roman teachings that Protestants share with Rome..
In this case, the first/chief importance of the gospel.
Some Protestants and protesters of Rome have either been unwilling or not led to test and prove all things,even all things Rome. I am a protester of Rome that is/has.
So, there are some roman teachings that are okay to Protestants and not an arguable/debatable teaching.
I presented one that appears to be in that territory.
Not that the teaching/doctrine isn’t false- it is false teaching, but it is shared by so many Protestants that it really isn’t seen as a roman teaching to too many Protestants, but it is seen as a Christian teaching.
That there in lies the ironic twist of Catholic vs Protestant..
In this case, it’s mother and daughters vs. Sola Scriptura.
It’s mother and daughters vs His Word
It’s Rome and protesters of Rome vs. protesters of Rome.
Being on the side of Sola Scriptura, His Word as a protester of Rome is usually a comfortable spot for Protestants to be.
In this case, they aren’t on that side.
And it is probably very difficult to understand as it doesn’t fit the neat arguments that go round and round in Catholic vs Protestant debates/arguments/circles.
A protester of Rome inserted something that doesn’t fit the normal course of fruitful discourse found in Catholic vs Protestant squabbles. It challenged Protestants as much as it challenged Rome and Roman Catholics.
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