Posted on 06/08/2018 8:54:57 AM PDT by Salvation
Solo Ecclesiast or Solo Ecclesia should be added to that list.
I also find “Solo” to be a projection and not reflective of the actual view held. I find “Prima” (primarily or first) is far more often closer to the actual belief system. For example, Solo Scriptura is most often pejoratively described as “scripture only”. However, the views most often expressed are Prima Scriptura, meaning that the first test of doctrine is that it conforms to scripture.
I am also of the opinion that when “Solo” whatever, is used as a pejorative, it is as an internal Christian argument and does little to advance the faith.
So you’re calling the Apostle Paul a liar then when he says that salvation is by grace through faith and NOT by works, so that no one may boast.
While right above this post, I’ve already addressed works.
Seems you’re the cherry picking one here, completely ignoring the Apostle himself in order to defend your false theology.
Mk 16:15 And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the good news to the whole creation.
Acts 1:8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”
Seems you missed this post:
No, I’m calling YOU wrong about Paul’s meaning.
Do you think Paul contradicts Paul?
1 Corinthians 9:27 but I punish my body and enslave it, so that after proclaiming to others I myself should not be disqualified.
2 Timothy 2:12 if we endure, we will also reign with him; if we deny him, he will also deny us;
Philippians 2:12 Therefore, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed me, not only in my presence, but much more now in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; 13 for it is God who is at work in you, enabling you both to will and to work for his good pleasure.
John 14:26
But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.
I wrote two comments about this in detail here, starting with this post:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3661576/posts?page=49#49
But the long and short of it is this question:
When you speak of works in “faith and works,” are you saying then works that are done without faith, outside faith, apart from faith?
In James’ letter, he was speaking correctively because at least some of the Christians he was writing to had adopted the heresy that having faith meant just saying with one’s lips that one has faith. Those people hadn’t truly repented
and believed on Jesus as their Savior.
Of course, 'traditions' is used differently by those wishing to give empowerment to the man-made traditions, to an Org as sole possessor of the Truth, like worshipping Mary as a co-redemtrix/mediatrix between man and God, and Purgatory, and priestly absolution, etc.
You’re the one arguing that Paul contradicts himself, not me.
Grace through faith, not of works. No way around that blatant proclamation. Romans 11 adds that if works are added to salvation, it is no longer by grace.
I believe the entirety of Scripture. If you’d stop trying to read my mind about what I believe, maybe I could even explain.
“In Scripture (Ephesians 2, among others) we are judged by our works, but our works are proof of faith and grace. In the same way that we know that water is boiling because the molecules are excited from heat, so are good works done by believers because they have God’s grace through faith.”
Yes exactly. And works can either be done out of faith and belief, or without faith and out of unbelief. Works done out of faith and belief are done by the Lord living inside of us. Works done outside of faith are done by the flesh.
Did Moses? King David?
You never seem to catch it when you are wrong, so here is proof of JESUS telling an Apostle to WRITE:
Revelation 1:11saying, “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last,” and, “What you see, write in a book and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia: to Ephesus, to Smyrna, to Pergamos, to Thyatira, to Sardis, to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.”
And one last note: a message can be offered both by word of mouth and written form; when I read The Word of God, it is the inspiration of His SPirit Who brings the message He deisres me to see.
Faith is an active force. Anyone who believes in Jesus will obey Him. For that reason it’s easy to conflate faith with works. As James put it [2:14-26]:
What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and be filled,” and yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that?
Over against James’ inspired words we have this:
Romans 3:27
Where then is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith.
Romans 3:28
For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.
Romans 9:31-33
31 but Israel, pursuing a law of righteousness, did not arrive at that law.
32 Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as though it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone,
33 just as it is written,
“Behold, I lay in Zion a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense,
And he who believes in Him will not be disappointed.”
Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
The confusion lies in imagining that faith is passive mental assent. That kind of ‘faith,’ will save no one.
As an example, look at Noah. God said He was sending a flood. Which kind of faith would save Noah:
A, believing God and doing nothing,
Or,
B, believing God and building the ark.
In a very real sense it was faith that saved Noah. The ark was the result of that faith, such that without faith there would have been no ark and Noah would have died in the flood.
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AND it was faith/belief which was acted upon which save Lot, and many others listed in ‘The Book’. Faithe is an active word.
Yes, agree. The Holy Spirit actively oversaw the entire process of preserving Scripture. He did so in order to confirm the Scriptural promises re the inspiration of God’s Word. The Holy Spirit is an active and omnipotent force. It was not difficult for Him to preserve God’s Word for succeeding generations, and no one should sell Him short by suggesting otherwise.
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The "works" addressed in Chapter 11 of Romans are the "works of the Law", i.e. circumcision and the Mosaic Law. Romans must be understood as an elaboration of what Paul says in Chapter 2:12-29:
All who sin outside the law will also perish without reference to it, and all who sin under the law will be judged in accordance with it. For it is not those who hear the law who are just in the sight of God; rather, those who observe the law will be justified. For when the Gentiles who do not have the law by nature observe the prescriptions of the law, they are a law for themselves even though they do not have the law. They show that the demands of the law are written in their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even defend them on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge people’s hidden works through Christ Jesus.Paul, in Romans, is addressing the demands of the Judaizers that the Gentiles must be circumcised and obey the Mosaic Law. He is not pitting works against faith. If you are to believe in the entirety of Scripture then believe what Paul says here. Everything that he writes in Romans after this is an explanation of this.Now if you call yourself a Jew and rely on the law and boast of God and know his will and are able to discern what is important since you are instructed from the law, and if you are confident that you are a guide for the blind and a light for those in darkness, that you are a trainer of the foolish and teacher of the simple, because in the law you have the formulation of knowledge and truth—then you who teach another, are you failing to teach yourself? You who preach against stealing, do you steal? You who forbid adultery, do you commit adultery? You who detest idols, do you rob temples? You who boast of the law, do you dishonor God by breaking the law? For, as it is written, “Because of you the name of God is reviled among the Gentiles.” Circumcision, to be sure, has value if you observe the law; but if you break the law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision. Again, if an uncircumcised man keeps the precepts of the law, will he not be considered circumcised? Indeed, those who are physically uncircumcised but carry out the law will pass judgment on you, with your written law and circumcision, who break the law. One is not a Jew outwardly. True circumcision is not outward, in the flesh. Rather, one is a Jew inwardly, and circumcision is of the heart, in the spirit, not the letter; his praise is not from human beings but from God.
Wrong!
I’m saying YOUR INTERPRETATION would insinuate a contradiction.
My citations of Paul’s writing prove salvation by faith AND works.
Sigh.....
It would be different if the Catholics didn't keep constructing strawmen to knock down and declare a victory over.
And no matter how many times we tell them, it falls on deaf ears.
Idk. Here are the OT references to tassels:
Numbers 15:38
“Speak to the sons of Israel, and tell them that they shall make for themselves tassels on the corners of their garments throughout their generations, and that they shall put on the tassel of each corner a cord of blue.
Numbers 15:39
It shall be a tassel for you to look at and remember all the commandments of the Lord, so as to do them and not follow after your own heart and your own eyes, after which you played the harlot,
Deuteronomy 22:12
“You shall make yourself tassels on the four corners of your garment with which you cover yourself.
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