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To: Luircin

Seems you missed this post:

No, I’m calling YOU wrong about Paul’s meaning.
Do you think Paul contradicts Paul?

1 Corinthians 9:27 but I punish my body and enslave it, so that after proclaiming to others I myself should not be disqualified.

2 Timothy 2:12 if we endure, we will also reign with him; if we deny him, he will also deny us;

Philippians 2:12 Therefore, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed me, not only in my presence, but much more now in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; 13 for it is God who is at work in you, enabling you both to will and to work for his good pleasure.


64 posted on 06/08/2018 10:15:55 AM PDT by G Larry (There is no great virtue in bargaining with the Devil)
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To: G Larry

You’re the one arguing that Paul contradicts himself, not me.

Grace through faith, not of works. No way around that blatant proclamation. Romans 11 adds that if works are added to salvation, it is no longer by grace.

I believe the entirety of Scripture. If you’d stop trying to read my mind about what I believe, maybe I could even explain.


68 posted on 06/08/2018 10:22:33 AM PDT by Luircin
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To: G Larry

Faith is an active force. Anyone who believes in Jesus will obey Him. For that reason it’s easy to conflate faith with works. As James put it [2:14-26]:

What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and be filled,” and yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that?

Over against James’ inspired words we have this:

Romans 3:27

Where then is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith.

Romans 3:28

For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.

Romans 9:31-33

31 but Israel, pursuing a law of righteousness, did not arrive at that law.

32 Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as though it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone,

33 just as it is written,

“Behold, I lay in Zion a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense,
And he who believes in Him will not be disappointed.”

Ephesians 2:8

For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;

The confusion lies in imagining that faith is passive mental assent. That kind of ‘faith,’ will save no one.

As an example, look at Noah. God said He was sending a flood. Which kind of faith would save Noah:

A, believing God and doing nothing,

Or,

B, believing God and building the ark.

In a very real sense it was faith that saved Noah. The ark was the result of that faith, such that without faith there would have been no ark and Noah would have died in the flood.


72 posted on 06/08/2018 10:36:34 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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