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...A Concern for the Protestant “Solos”: Sola Fide, Sola Scriptura, Sola Gratia
Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 06-07-18 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 06/08/2018 8:54:57 AM PDT by Salvation

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To: Phinneous

Verse?


21 posted on 06/08/2018 9:20:23 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: ravenwolf
If a man or woman goes around telling people what God has revealed to them they may be a liar and probably are.

Both Martin Luther and Jorge Bergoglio have done that.

22 posted on 06/08/2018 9:21:45 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ravenwolf

Sola Scriptura sounds really funny when one considers that the first Bible printed by the Gutenberg Press was a CATHOLIC VULGATE BIBLE!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gutenberg_Bible

The Gutenberg Bible (also known as the 42-line Bible, the Mazarin Bible or the B42) was the first major book printed in the West using movable type. It marked the start of the “Gutenberg Revolution” and the age of the printed book in the West. Widely praised for its high aesthetic and artistic qualities,[1] the book has an iconic status. Written in Latin, the Gutenberg Bible is an edition of the Vulgate, printed by Johannes Gutenberg, in Mainz, in present-day Germany, in the 1450s.


23 posted on 06/08/2018 9:22:02 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Fantasywriter

Scripture was defined and compiled via tradition.

Christ never told his disciples to write anything, he told them to preach.


24 posted on 06/08/2018 9:22:16 AM PDT by G Larry (There is no great virtue in bargaining with the Devil)
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To: Salvation

But all Protestant churches are led by mere men.

The Catholic Church is led by Jesus Christ who founded it on the Apostles to carry on his work.

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Prove it.

We have the words of the Apostles right at our fingertips. If you’re going to make such a claim of authority, you better have some proof that your teaching is identical to theirs.

And ‘because I say so’ is not proof.


25 posted on 06/08/2018 9:23:26 AM PDT by Luircin
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To: G Larry

So you’re calling Paul a liar then?

What’s so bad about comparing the claims of Rome to the direct words of Jesus and the Apostles, hmmmm?


26 posted on 06/08/2018 9:25:11 AM PDT by Luircin
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To: Fantasywriter

Matthew 23:5


27 posted on 06/08/2018 9:26:52 AM PDT by Phinneous (By the way, there are Seven Laws for you too! Noahide.org)
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To: Salvation

I already said I intend to when I can.

But the article itself does not impress me at all.


28 posted on 06/08/2018 9:28:38 AM PDT by Luircin
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To: Phinneous

Nothing here about tassels being *too*long; rather, it is merely a simple statement of fact—i.e.: an honest observation:

Matthew 23:5

5 But they do all their deeds to be noticed by men; for they broaden their phylacteries and lengthen the tassels of their garments.


29 posted on 06/08/2018 9:32:04 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: rcofdayton

“By GRACE (a free gift) are you SAVED ( made alive in newness of spirit), by FAITH ( trust, belief in and continual adherence to)-and this is not from yourselves, it is a GIFT (undeserved, unearned favor) of God, , not by WORKS (effort to achieve Gods acceptance), so that no one can boast”. Eph 2:5

So, indeed, the scriptures show us that faith by grace are indeed the sole means of appropriating God’s favor- unless one rejects the rest of the scriptures that depict us all as dead in trespasses and sins ( dead men can do nothing). I accept that Jesus paid for my passage, and God Almighty took my unrighteousness and guilt nd poured out His Holy and Just wrath on the body f Jesus, who deserved only honor and praise, so now that Jesus who was given power by God to lay his life down willingly and then take it back up again, God the Father looks at me through the lens of the Righteousness of His Son , in whom He is well pleased.

My sins and state were punished once for all time, and He remembers them no more.

So, no, not multiple choice, but rather a singular perfect solution for the restoration of mankind, if only one believes.....


30 posted on 06/08/2018 9:35:29 AM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: G Larry

‘Scripture was defined and compiled via tradition.’

This statement stands in direct contradiction to Scripture itself:

2 Timothy 3:16

All Scripture is inspired by God [literally: God-breathed] and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;


31 posted on 06/08/2018 9:35:50 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Fantasywriter

“Broaden” and “Lengthen” imply that there is a standard. Who / what / where is the standard?


32 posted on 06/08/2018 9:37:57 AM PDT by Phinneous (By the way, there are Seven Laws for you too! Noahide.org)
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To: Phinneous

You are reading more into the text than is there. Jesus did no more than state a fact: the phylacteries were being broadened and the tassels lengthened. There is zero evidence that that He was lying.


33 posted on 06/08/2018 9:45:20 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Salvation

You probably consider this taunting as ‘contending for the faith’, what with your so limited knowledge of The Word of God ... made flesh Who dwelt among us. Your Catholic Jesus appears to need His Mother’s help daily.


34 posted on 06/08/2018 9:46:58 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Phinneous; Fantasywriter

Who / what / where is the standard

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First, each book was written by an apostle or one closely associated with an apostle.
Second, the contents of these books were revelatory in nature.
Third, these books were universally recognized by the church in their teaching and preaching ministry.
Fourth, these books were considered inspired because they bore the marks of inspiration.

But let me cut off the expected response I’ve heard before.

Today’s Romanist org that calls itself Catholic has NOT proven itself to be the 1st century New Testament ekklesia.

Rather, what Scripture shows is that Rome is NOT the New Testament church, because Rome preaches in contradiction to what the NT church taught. And we know what they taught, because we see it in Scripture.


35 posted on 06/08/2018 9:48:38 AM PDT by Luircin
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To: Luircin
No, I'm calling YOU wrong about Paul's meaning.

Do you think Paul contradicts Paul?

1 Corinthians 9:27 but I punish my body and enslave it, so that after proclaiming to others I myself should not be disqualified.

2 Timothy 2:12 if we endure, we will also reign with him; if we deny him, he will also deny us;

Philippians 2:12 Therefore, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed me, not only in my presence, but much more now in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; 13 for it is God who is at work in you, enabling you both to will and to work for his good pleasure.

36 posted on 06/08/2018 9:49:08 AM PDT by G Larry (There is no great virtue in bargaining with the Devil)
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To: Salvation

Last week he wrote a particularly nice essay.

This is playing with words.


37 posted on 06/08/2018 9:49:53 AM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: Fantasywriter

Are we acknowledging that Jews wore these things? Did Jesus?


38 posted on 06/08/2018 9:49:56 AM PDT by Phinneous (By the way, there are Seven Laws for you too! Noahide.org)
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To: Luircin
So you’re calling Paul a liar then?

Paul was just a man, writing his thoughts. He's not a liar, but he's not God, either.

I enjoy watching modern preachers: it's Paul, Paul, Paul. Then a bit more Paul, with a side-order of Paul to follow. Throw in a bit of Jesus, then on to more Paul.

39 posted on 06/08/2018 9:50:05 AM PDT by Da_Shrimp
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To: Salvation
#2 is a conflation of ages ... when the New Testament portions of the Bible were written, most people could read and write, many in more than one language.

Thirs, the author of this disinformation piece ignores Whom it is the Wrote and now edifies using His Word. With teachers like this in Catholicism it is no wonder so many Catholics will soon get to know the anti-Christ.

40 posted on 06/08/2018 9:50:09 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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