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To: kosciusko51
"So, if I understand you correctly, it is a sin to intentionally have a barren marriage?"

It is a sin to have intentionally barren intercourse. That is, to choose against the natural God-designed fertility of marital acts.

"Besides, if Genesis 38 meant what you think it means, Onan and most boys wouldn't have made it past the age of 14, let alone make it to marriage."

You don't know what I think it means. It does not mean that masturbation calls for the death penalty . (!!)

You're not just arguing with me: you're arguing with all Christian history until 1930. Biblical and historic Christianity taught that Onanism (intentionally wasting the seed) is a sin. Contracepting --- impairing the natural fertility of --- the sexual act is a sin. Christianity did not, and does not, teach that it is a capital crime.

61 posted on 05/15/2018 2:54:56 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (The Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you everything. (John))
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Sorry, I didn't intend for the perceived mindreading. I was using a figure of speech. Also, I was being a bit facetious.

That being said, Onanism is defined as both masturbation and coitus interruptus.

Again, I am not arguing against contraception as a historical Christian prohibition; I'm just saying Genesis 38 is not a good example. Matthew Henry's commentary on Genesis 38 points out that Onan's sin is what I showed it to be, not a general prohibition against contraception. I'm not saying that he was for contraception, just that Genesis 38 is about something different.

Again, if you want to argue the fertility route that contraception is wrong, that is a different argument.

65 posted on 05/15/2018 3:20:30 PM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: Mrs. Don-o
It is a sin to have intentionally barren intercourse.

Chapter and verse please, Mrs. Don-o?

72 posted on 05/15/2018 3:52:03 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Q is Admiral Michael S. Rogers)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
"It is a sin to have intentionally barren intercourse." According to Mrs Don-o ... but show us where GOD says this to the Catholic mind.
116 posted on 05/16/2018 9:37:23 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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