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| 03-14-18
| Msgr. Charles Pope
Posted on 04/21/2018 9:30:28 AM PDT by Salvation
Salvation and Church The teaching of no salvation outside the Church is important and one that must rightly be understood
Msgr. Charles Pope
3/14/2018
Question: I hear the Catholic Church teaches there is no salvation outside the Church. This would seem to condemn most to hell. Or am I missing something? — Name, location withheld
Answer: It is in fact a doctrine of the Church often repeated by the Fathers of the Church and taught formally. However, it must be understood properly.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church has this to say by way of explanation:
“‘Outside the Church there is no Salvation.’ ... Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church ... is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence, they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it. This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church” (CCC, Nos. 846-847).
This much is sure: Whoever is in heaven was saved by Jesus Christ in and through his Body the Church. But, as we know, there are many barriers to people fully understanding that the Church is the sole and necessary means for salvation, and thus, simply being outside the Church usually does not alone bring condemnation.
God can and, it would seem, does draw others unto himself in ways not always known to us. All of this can console us and bring an understanding that the teaching “outside the Church there is no salvation” is not understood absolutely.
But this consolation must not be the source of letting our missionary zeal wane. While it is possible to be saved beyond the Church, sacraments and explicit faith in Christ, it is much more difficult. Consider the following teaching from the Second Vatican Council:
“Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience. Nor does Divine Providence deny the helps necessary for salvation to those who, without blame on their part, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God and with His grace strive to live a good life. ... But often men, deceived by the Evil One, have become vain in their reasonings and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, serving the creature rather than the Creator (cf. Rom 1:21, 25). Or some there are who, living and dying in this world without God, are exposed to final despair. Wherefore to promote the glory of God and procure the salvation of all of these, and mindful of the command of the Lord, ‘Preach the Gospel to every creature’ (Mk 16:16), the Church fosters the missions with care and attention” (Lumen Gentium, No. 16).
And therefore, we see that people often are deceived or let themselves be deceived. So, the fact that people can be saved apart from the Church is not a blank check or presumption that they likely will be saved. It must always be our earnest work to evangelize, for many “prefer the darkness” (see Jn 3:19).
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
It’s not pointless.
How can anyone presume that you are even marginally Christian if you repeatedly refuse to publicly acknowledge it’s most basic tenets?
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441
posted on
04/24/2018 8:49:55 AM PDT
by
infool7
(Observe, Orient, Pray, Decide, Act!(it's an OOPDA loop))
To: infool7
Thanks for the post infool7.
We see it differently.
If you've never come to saving faith, I do not consider you a Christian believer - but merely a participant in syncretic Christian paganism.
The most basic tenant of Christ is to believe by entrusting yourself to Him alone for salvation, apart from all your works and false merit.
If you miss this, you go to hell, regardless of whatever you believe intellectually.
To: aMorePerfectUnion
443
posted on
04/24/2018 9:11:04 AM PDT
by
bonfire
To: aMorePerfectUnion
As I said upthread, falsehood is falsehood even if everyone believes it, and truth is truth no matter how few people believe it. Albeit using more colorful language to make my point.
I certainly admire your willingness to put up with a stone wall for this long.
But there comes a point where you have to stop casting pearls before swine, even if it means that the other party thinks they ‘win’ because there’s no point in continuing.
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posted on
04/24/2018 9:17:32 AM PDT
by
Luircin
To: Luircin
But there comes a point where you have to stop casting pearls before swine, even if it means that the other party thinks they ‘win’ because there’s no point in continuing. Yes, certainly. At this point, there is a clear refusal to seek truth and a retrenchment into the security of numbers and life experience.
None of which saves.
I don't like to see any go to hell, but it is up to God to open eyes.
To: aMorePerfectUnion
Some plant, some water. God gives the growth.
Here’s praying that the Lord gives growth, but it’s nothing that either of us can control.
446
posted on
04/24/2018 9:21:31 AM PDT
by
Luircin
To: infool7
There is only one basic tenet. You can find that ONE basic tenet in John 6. Don’t be like the audience who asked what work they needed to do to meet GOD’s requirement. When Jesus gave them the ONE thing they prattled for a sign. The One thing basic to what God requires did not suit their egos, so they weaseled for more. Look in John 6 for the ONE basic thing God with us told us GOD requires. Hint: it is found BEFORE the passage regarding bread and wine remembrance of His Cross gift to us/for us. Jesus gave a big hint also in John 3 speaking with Nicodemus. Can you find it, that ONE basic tenet?
447
posted on
04/24/2018 9:41:51 AM PDT
by
MHGinTN
(A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
To: MHGinTN; aMorePerfectUnion
So in both your opinions there is no need to acknowledge the Holy Trinity or keep any of God's commandments?
You accuse me of not having a saving faith.
Your own personal man made up religion bears no resemblance Christianity whatsoever.
I dispute even the possibility that you have any idea of what it means to be Christian in the slightest.
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448
posted on
04/24/2018 10:09:28 AM PDT
by
infool7
(Observe, Orient, Pray, Decide, Act!(it's an OOPDA loop))
To: MHGinTN
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The “Jewish customs” Paul spoke of are not any part of Yehova’s covenant!
They are 100% Takanot and Ma’assim of the pharisees.
Galatians 4:8-10 refers to the keeping of the Pharisee's unbearable burdensome nonsense.
Those sweet hopes that spring up in your unbelieving mind that Paul would be speaking of the eternal covenant were carefully placed there by the adversary.
Refer to Romans 2:13 where Paul correctly states that
“For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.”
James makes a similar declaration in his epistle, while John clearly states in his first epistle that the very definition of sin is the transgression of Torah. Your hopes will ultimately drag you into peerdition, repent!
449
posted on
04/24/2018 10:15:01 AM PDT
by
editor-surveyor
(Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
To: infool7
So in both your opinions there is no need to acknowledge the Holy Trinity or keep any of God's commandments?
You have to entrust yourself to Him alone to be saved. There is no extra. All Christians believe in the Triune God. All those who intellectually assent to the Triune God are not saved.
You accuse me of not having a saving faith.
I suspect, based on what you've written, you do not. God knows. Your refusal to seek truth reinforces this.
Your own personal man made up religion bears no resemblance Christianity whatsoever.
I can see why true saving faith would look that way to a cradle catholic who will not look outside what he is taught.
I dispute even the possibility that you have any idea of what it means to be Christian in the slightest.
You can dispute whatever you choose. You are not the one who decides. Christ is. His basis is spelled out in Scriputre. I wish you salvation.
To: aMorePerfectUnion
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You disagree with what I have learned from the scriptures that you declare to be ‘cultic’ in this thread.
Nothing that you have ever offered is based in scripture, but all in the hope of destroying Yehova’s covenant.
“Faith” is in every instance it is used in scripture the willing keeping of the covenant (the only covenant, that Yeshua sealed in his sinless blood)
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451
posted on
04/24/2018 10:20:16 AM PDT
by
editor-surveyor
(Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
To: Luircin
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I hope that you are proud of your childish cute-say, because it will be repeated to you at the Great White Throne.
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452
posted on
04/24/2018 10:22:09 AM PDT
by
editor-surveyor
(Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
To: editor-surveyor
You disagree with what I have learned from the scriptures that you declare to be ‘cultic’ in this thread. Entirely.
To: editor-surveyor
Why, because Rood is God now? That explains so much of your inanity.
Rood is a cult leader, you’re a moron and a cultist, and you’re going to Hell for eternity.
Have fun.
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posted on
04/24/2018 10:28:36 AM PDT
by
Luircin
To: aMorePerfectUnion
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Read your first sentence, and understand that the Holy Spirit was saying it to you.
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455
posted on
04/24/2018 10:31:01 AM PDT
by
editor-surveyor
(Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
To: editor-surveyor
Read your Your ideas and opinions are noted.
To: Luircin
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You are at war with the obvious work of the Holy Spirit, and are blinded by the adversary.
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457
posted on
04/24/2018 10:33:51 AM PDT
by
editor-surveyor
(Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
To: editor-surveyor; aMorePerfectUnion
Bahahah, e-s thinks he’s the Holy Spirit now.
Tell me, did you read Ephesians 2, John 3, and Romans 3?
Or did you get too REEEE because I insulted your false prophet Rood?
458
posted on
04/24/2018 10:34:16 AM PDT
by
Luircin
To: Luircin
your false prophet Rood? #FakeRabbi
Gives it away every time.
To: editor-surveyor
Then explain to me why Scripture and Jesus say that salvation is by grace through faith and not works.
And your false god Rood says different.
You’re the one blaspheming Jesus; you’re the one Hellbound.
And I just find your Cultic worship of pathetic Rood hilarious.
460
posted on
04/24/2018 10:36:54 AM PDT
by
Luircin
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