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| 03-14-18
| Msgr. Charles Pope
Posted on 04/21/2018 9:30:28 AM PDT by Salvation
Salvation and Church The teaching of no salvation outside the Church is important and one that must rightly be understood
Msgr. Charles Pope
3/14/2018
Question: I hear the Catholic Church teaches there is no salvation outside the Church. This would seem to condemn most to hell. Or am I missing something? — Name, location withheld
Answer: It is in fact a doctrine of the Church often repeated by the Fathers of the Church and taught formally. However, it must be understood properly.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church has this to say by way of explanation:
“‘Outside the Church there is no Salvation.’ ... Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church ... is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence, they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it. This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church” (CCC, Nos. 846-847).
This much is sure: Whoever is in heaven was saved by Jesus Christ in and through his Body the Church. But, as we know, there are many barriers to people fully understanding that the Church is the sole and necessary means for salvation, and thus, simply being outside the Church usually does not alone bring condemnation.
God can and, it would seem, does draw others unto himself in ways not always known to us. All of this can console us and bring an understanding that the teaching “outside the Church there is no salvation” is not understood absolutely.
But this consolation must not be the source of letting our missionary zeal wane. While it is possible to be saved beyond the Church, sacraments and explicit faith in Christ, it is much more difficult. Consider the following teaching from the Second Vatican Council:
“Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience. Nor does Divine Providence deny the helps necessary for salvation to those who, without blame on their part, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God and with His grace strive to live a good life. ... But often men, deceived by the Evil One, have become vain in their reasonings and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, serving the creature rather than the Creator (cf. Rom 1:21, 25). Or some there are who, living and dying in this world without God, are exposed to final despair. Wherefore to promote the glory of God and procure the salvation of all of these, and mindful of the command of the Lord, ‘Preach the Gospel to every creature’ (Mk 16:16), the Church fosters the missions with care and attention” (Lumen Gentium, No. 16).
And therefore, we see that people often are deceived or let themselves be deceived. So, the fact that people can be saved apart from the Church is not a blank check or presumption that they likely will be saved. It must always be our earnest work to evangelize, for many “prefer the darkness” (see Jn 3:19).
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To: boatbums
To: daniel1212
I do not, as far as i know, but notice that the post at issue was not responding to you, but to salvation.....My oversight.
Jesus is Lord !
To: Mom MD
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04/22/2018 3:22:37 PM PDT
by
Luircin
To: infool7; Luircin
If all you've got to offer in a discussion is ridicule, then you have lost the debate.
Ridicule is the first and last argument of a fool. - Charles Simmons
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posted on
04/22/2018 3:25:23 PM PDT
by
boatbums
(The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation, but washes you upon the Rock of Ages.)
To: Salvation
325
posted on
04/22/2018 3:27:00 PM PDT
by
Zeneta
To: Mom MD; Luircin
Yes, I have put the number of FReepers that actually admit and ascribe to the doctrine of “How I will not be Catholic” as high as maybe eight but I don’t have sufficient evidence to support that claim. Luircin will have to answer for himself if he is in that camp.
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posted on
04/22/2018 4:21:31 PM PDT
by
infool7
(Observe, Orient, Pray, Decide, Act!(it's an OOPDA loop))
To: infool7
ascribe to the doctrine of How I will not be Catholic
Not a doctrine FRamigo.
Once you know the Savior, and have certainty of salvation, you would never trade it for religious works, endless guilt and rituals.
No one would. It is too rich a joy.
To: Zeneta
I like this by St. Augustine along those same lines.
Breathe in me, O Holy Spirit, that my thoughts may all be holy.
Act in me, O Holy Spirit, that my work, too, may be holy.
Draw my heart, O Holy Spirit, that I love but what is holy.
Strengthen me, O Holy Spirit, to defend all that is holy.
Guard me, then, O Holy Spirit, that I always may be holy.
Amen.
Have a good day.
328
posted on
04/22/2018 5:08:32 PM PDT
by
Salvation
("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
To: infool7
And yet we’re still reducing you to sputtering impotent rage.
Lol.
How’s that working out for you?
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posted on
04/22/2018 5:25:23 PM PDT
by
Luircin
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
No one who seeks truth and finds it comes back to Rome.You are correct sir. I was an altar boy and confirmed too. I found the REAL Jesus, through the ministry of the Navigators, while I was in the Air Force. It was my own reading of scripture, however, that convinced me, that I would never swim the Tiber. 😁
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posted on
04/22/2018 5:43:06 PM PDT
by
Mark17
(Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
To: Luircin
The rage must all be in your own head, dear brother in Christ Jesus.
I have only love for you in the hopes that you might more fully share in the joy of our Blessed Lord and Savior
333
posted on
04/22/2018 5:46:47 PM PDT
by
infool7
(Observe, Orient, Pray, Decide, Act!(it's an OOPDA loop))
To: Mark17
It was my own reading of scripture, however, that convinced me, that I would never swim the Tiber. These days there is no need to swim the Tiber. You can just walk on the backs of hispanics swimming the other direction!
To: aMorePerfectUnion
Many used to be Romans before they came to faith in Christ. Heck, +10s of millions in South America alone. Its happening in the Philippines too bro. Lots of ex Catholics. I even know two ex Muslims as well. 😁🇵🇭
335
posted on
04/22/2018 5:53:43 PM PDT
by
Mark17
(Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
To: Mark17
LOTS of Catholic Priests leaving Romanism too.Testimonies from ex-Roman Catholic Priests
As an example... Hugh Farrell Shares Why He Left Rome
Born in Denver, Colorado. Entered the Order of our Lady of Mount Carmel, commonly called the Discalced Carmelite Fathers. Ordained as a priest.
Priestly power to change elements: "The priest, according to the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church, has the power to take ordinary bread and wine, and, by pronouncing the words of the consecration prayer in the sacrifice of the Mass, to change it into the actual body and blood and soul and divinity of Jesus Christ. Hence, since one cannot separate the human nature of Christ from his divinity, the bread and wine, after being changed into the body and blood of Jesus Christ, are entitled to the worship of adoration." (pp. 28)
Temporal punishment due to sins. "I knew from the teachings of the priests and nuns that I could not hope to go directly to heaven after my death. My Roman Catholic catechism taught me that after death I had to pay for the temporal punishment due to my sins. The Roman Catholic Church teaches that 'the souls of the just which, in a moment of death, are burdened with venial sins or temporal punishment due to sin, enter purgatory.'" (p. 29)
Penance. Regarding life in the monastery and doing penance. "These penances consist of standing with the arms outstretched to form a cross, kissing the sandaled feet of the monks, receiving a blow upon the face from the monks, and, at the end of the meal, lying prostrate before the entrance to the refectory so that the departing monks must step over one's body. These, and other penances, are supposed to gain one merit in heaven and increase one's 'spiritual bank account.'" (p. 36)
The Mass and sorcery. "According to the teaching of the Roman Church the priest, no matter how unworthy he may personally be, even if he has just made a pact with the devil for his soul, has the power to change the elements of bread and wine into the actual body and blood, soul and divinity, of Jesus Christ. Provided he pronounces the words of consecration properly and has the intention of consecrating, God must come down on the altar and enter and take over the elements." (p. 39)
To: aMorePerfectUnion
To: boatbums
"Dictates of (their) conscience" and "strive to live a good life" cannot be interpreted any other way than that faith in Jesus Christ ISN'T necessary for salvation as long as you are a "good person"Isnt that about what Pope Frank said, who am I to judge?
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posted on
04/22/2018 6:09:55 PM PDT
by
Mark17
(Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
To: Mark17
It’s certainly what he told that little boy who cried about his atheist daddy who died. Pope Francis told him he didn’t have to worry that his daddy was in hell because he had made sure his kids were baptized Catholics so he was a “good man” and would make it to heaven.
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posted on
04/22/2018 6:28:16 PM PDT
by
boatbums
(The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation, but washes you upon the Rock of Ages.)
To: aMorePerfectUnion
These days there is no need to swim the Tiber. You can just walk on the backs of hispanics swimming the other direction! No need to do that either bro, since I have no intention of even getting near the river. Besides, I hear that river is polluted and smelly. 😁🤣👎
340
posted on
04/22/2018 6:41:56 PM PDT
by
Mark17
(Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
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