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| 03-14-18
| Msgr. Charles Pope
Posted on 04/21/2018 9:30:28 AM PDT by Salvation
Salvation and Church The teaching of no salvation outside the Church is important and one that must rightly be understood
Msgr. Charles Pope
3/14/2018
Question: I hear the Catholic Church teaches there is no salvation outside the Church. This would seem to condemn most to hell. Or am I missing something? — Name, location withheld
Answer: It is in fact a doctrine of the Church often repeated by the Fathers of the Church and taught formally. However, it must be understood properly.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church has this to say by way of explanation:
“‘Outside the Church there is no Salvation.’ ... Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church ... is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence, they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it. This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church” (CCC, Nos. 846-847).
This much is sure: Whoever is in heaven was saved by Jesus Christ in and through his Body the Church. But, as we know, there are many barriers to people fully understanding that the Church is the sole and necessary means for salvation, and thus, simply being outside the Church usually does not alone bring condemnation.
God can and, it would seem, does draw others unto himself in ways not always known to us. All of this can console us and bring an understanding that the teaching “outside the Church there is no salvation” is not understood absolutely.
But this consolation must not be the source of letting our missionary zeal wane. While it is possible to be saved beyond the Church, sacraments and explicit faith in Christ, it is much more difficult. Consider the following teaching from the Second Vatican Council:
“Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience. Nor does Divine Providence deny the helps necessary for salvation to those who, without blame on their part, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God and with His grace strive to live a good life. ... But often men, deceived by the Evil One, have become vain in their reasonings and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, serving the creature rather than the Creator (cf. Rom 1:21, 25). Or some there are who, living and dying in this world without God, are exposed to final despair. Wherefore to promote the glory of God and procure the salvation of all of these, and mindful of the command of the Lord, ‘Preach the Gospel to every creature’ (Mk 16:16), the Church fosters the missions with care and attention” (Lumen Gentium, No. 16).
And therefore, we see that people often are deceived or let themselves be deceived. So, the fact that people can be saved apart from the Church is not a blank check or presumption that they likely will be saved. It must always be our earnest work to evangelize, for many “prefer the darkness” (see Jn 3:19).
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
You have this crazy obsession with these Romans that have no clue. Who are these guys anyway and what are they wearing? Nobody I know believes the the absurd things you insist on. I am Catholic it's all outlined in the Catechism of the Catholic Church easy for anyone to find online.
Maybe we can get back to basics and see where we agree:
The Nicene Creed I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.
I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,
and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.
I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.
I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.
I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins
and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come.
The Ten Commandments: 1. I am the LORD your God. You shall worship the Lord your God and Him only shall you serve.
2. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.
3. Remember to keep holy the Sabbath day.
4. Honor your father and your mother.
5. You shall not kill.
6. You shall not commit adultery.
7. You shall not steal.
8. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
9. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife.
10.You shall not covet your neighbor’s goods.
The Precepts of the Catholic Church: 1. You shall attend Mass on Sundays and on holy days of obligation and rest from servile labor.
We must “sanctify the day commemorating the Resurrection of the Lord” (Sunday), as well as the principal feast days, known as Catholic holy days of obligation. This requires attending Mass, “and by resting from those works and activities which could impede such a sanctification of these days.”
2. You shall confess your sins at least once a year. We must prepare for the Eucharist by means of the Sacrament of Reconciliation (Confession). This sacrament “continues Baptism’s work of conversion and forgiveness.”
3. You shall receive the sacrament of the Eucharist at least during the Easter season. This “guarantees as a minimum the reception of the Lord’s Body and Blood in connection with the Paschal feasts, the origin and center of the Christian liturgy.”
4. You shall observe the days of fasting and abstinence established by the Church. "The fourth precept ensures the times of ascesis and penance which prepare us for the liturgical feasts and help us acquire mastery over our instincts and freedom of heart.”
5. You shall help to provide for the needs of the Church. “The fifth precept means that the faithful are obliged to assist with the material needs of the Church, each according to his own ability.”
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posted on
04/22/2018 9:11:15 AM PDT
by
infool7
(Observe, Orient, Pray, Decide, Act!(it's an OOPDA loop))
To: daniel1212
That was supposed to be a refute? I apologize, it just seemed like gibberish to me.
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posted on
04/22/2018 9:18:22 AM PDT
by
infool7
(Observe, Orient, Pray, Decide, Act!(it's an OOPDA loop))
To: infool7; daniel1212
Daniel1212 offers some of the best apologetics in defense of Christianity on these threads. He has a wealth of knowledge far surpassing most on these threads. He knows Roman Catholic theology better than the vast majority of Roman Catholics. You would do well to read his posts.
To: daniel1212
You can either believe or not believe in the “Real Presence” of Jesus in the Eucharist. Obviously you don’t.
FYI. You can google and find ample evidence of scientifically examined hosts, even recent ones in Poland.
However, if you would like to read about the 120 Vatican approved miracles, then you can read the following article:
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/eucharistic-miracles-evidence-of-the-real-presence-0
I do believe by Faith in the words of Jesus “This is My Body’ and “This is My Blood”.
While they were eating, Jesus took bread, said the blessing, broke it, and giving it to his disciples said, Take and eat; this is my body. Then he took a cup, gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink from it, all of you, for this is my blood of the covenant, which will be shed on behalf of many for the forgiveness of sins. (Mt 26:26-28; cf. Mk 14:22-24, Lk 22:17-20, 1 Cor 11:23-25)
If one does not accept the Truth of Jesus about the Eucharist, how many other false teachings about Jesus do they believe?
Peace be with you.
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posted on
04/22/2018 9:44:17 AM PDT
by
ADSUM
To: infool7
Nobody I know believes the the absurd things you insist on.
Yes, sadly when you surround yourself with self-confirming opinions, you are reinforced by a group that doesnt know His Word and are content to outsource their minds, instead of obeyed my God and love my Him with all your mind.
I am Catholic it’s all outlined in the Catechism of the Catholic Church easy for anyone to find online.
Again, not surprising.
I am His - a Christian - and its all outlined in His Word. Available for all who seek truth..
Dont settle for syncretic paganism and lose your soul!
To: ealgeone; daniel1212
You and your
six five friends may think so but you are delusional as to the number of folks that hold your unique point of view.
Certainly in your tiny world of sycophants the sane man must appear insane however unfortunately for you the opposite is not true in the real word.
Did you ever consider that just because Danial1212 says he knows "more" than the vast majority of Roman Catholics it's only because he is 180° out from reality.
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posted on
04/22/2018 10:12:57 AM PDT
by
infool7
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To: infool7
And once again, you prove that it’s the Catholics who resort to personal attacks and argumentum ad nauseum first.
And its Protestants and Evangelicals that quote Scripture the most.
Thanks for revealing yourself.
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posted on
04/22/2018 10:25:35 AM PDT
by
Luircin
To: daniel1212
The words had too many syllables for the small catholic mind.
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posted on
04/22/2018 10:27:01 AM PDT
by
MHGinTN
(A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
To: aMorePerfectUnion
Pretending Jesus lives in a box?
You mean metaphorical or literal there?
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posted on
04/22/2018 10:27:39 AM PDT
by
Luircin
To: aMorePerfectUnion
I believe it because it's True.
Do you refuse to believe it only because 1.2+ billion Catholics believe it?
Lets go over the Creed and the Commandments again. Where do we lose you? Is it in the creed or somewhere in the commandments?
The Nicene Creed:
I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.
I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,
and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.
I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.
I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.
I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins
and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come.
The Ten Commandments:
1. I am the LORD your God. You shall worship the Lord your God and Him only shall you serve.
2. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.
3. Remember to keep holy the Sabbath day.
4. Honor your father and your mother.
5. You shall not kill.
6. You shall not commit adultery.
7. You shall not steal.
8. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
9. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife.
10.You shall not covet your neighbor’s goods.
230
posted on
04/22/2018 10:27:48 AM PDT
by
infool7
(Observe, Orient, Pray, Decide, Act!(it's an OOPDA loop))
To: ADSUM
Then why aren’t you reading the Bible if you’re so encouraged to?
Or perhaps you are.
But I still so rarely see Catholics quoting Scripture beyond just a few repeated verses, and almost never address the quotations given to them in response.
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posted on
04/22/2018 10:29:06 AM PDT
by
Luircin
To: aMorePerfectUnion
Again you are in a tiny minority group of individuals that hold that opinion. On a good day you can’t muster more than five on this forum.
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posted on
04/22/2018 10:34:22 AM PDT
by
infool7
(Observe, Orient, Pray, Decide, Act!(it's an OOPDA loop))
To: infool7
Logical fallacy: Appeal to Popularity.
Try again.
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posted on
04/22/2018 10:36:38 AM PDT
by
Luircin
To: infool7
I believe it because it's True.
Except you can't provide evidence that it is true. You believe as true what they guys in costumes tell you, because you are not going to Scripture ready to follow it no matter what it shows, as you said.
Do you refuse to believe it only because 1.2+ billion Catholics believe it?
Half the Romans in the world don't even darken the door of a Roman church all year. It is very doubtful you have any idea what they believe.
To: Luircin
You mean metaphorical or literal there? A poster I responded to said Jesus was relaxing there waiting, so apparently, He lives in a box. I take that poster as meaning literal.
To: infool7
Again you are in a tiny minority group of individuals that hold that opinion. On a good day you can’t muster more than five on this forum. The number of posters here means nothing. There are people all over earth that have not bowed their knee to the false religion Rome created. Many used to be Romans before they came to faith in Christ. Heck, +10s of millions in South America alone.
So, if you want to pursue that assertion, please prove:
"It is a 'tiny' minority group that hold that opinion."
To: infool7
John 6:28 They said therefore unto him, What may we do that we may work the works of God? 29 Jesus answered and said to them,
This is the work of God, that ye may believe in him whom He did send. 6:35 And Jesus said to them, ...
60 many, therefore, of his disciples having heard, said, This word is hard; who is able to hear it? 61 And Jesus having known in himself that his disciples are murmuring about this, said to them, Doth this stumble you? 62 if then ye may behold the Son of Man going up where he was before? 63 the spirit it is that is giving life; the flesh doth not profit anything; the sayings that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life; 64but there are certain of you who do not believe;
Now, do you comprehend what JESUS said to His disciples? Or is your mind so blinded by Catholicism blasphemous sacramental dogma that you are incapable of heeding the warning given at the end of the above quoting?
237
posted on
04/22/2018 10:42:22 AM PDT
by
MHGinTN
(A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
To: ADSUM
238
posted on
04/22/2018 10:43:52 AM PDT
by
MHGinTN
(A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
To: Luircin
Non-sequitur, illogical conclusion, appeal to futility, misdirect, obfuscate and blast with walls of text until your opponent is exhausted.
Carry on.
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posted on
04/22/2018 10:52:25 AM PDT
by
infool7
(Observe, Orient, Pray, Decide, Act!(it's an OOPDA loop))
To: ADSUM
The Truth of Jesus' teaching is what you leave off, in order to reinforce the blasphemy you spew:
LUKE 22:17 And having taken a cup, having given thanks, he said, Take this and divide to yourselves, 18for I say to you that I may not drink of the produce of the vine till the reign of God may come.
You believe (because you as a priest would contradict your religion empowerment if you do not promote the falsehood) the wine is transmogrified into that which GOD told the Israelites for all (ALL) their generations not to drink. Jesus identifies the contents of the cup He offered as wine.
Priest, do YOU really believe JESUS would contradict the command of God regarding not drinking blood on the very night BEFORE He went to the Cross? Do you really?! You do realize that JESUS/God with us established the bread and wine remembrance BEFORE He was crucified, don't you?
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posted on
04/22/2018 10:56:08 AM PDT
by
MHGinTN
(A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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