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To: imardmd1

? You seem to have a difficult time recognizing there are three distinct “dispensations” in the timeline of Judeo Christianity up until now.

1. The Old Covenant under the Law

2. The limited time, of “transition” between the Old and New Covenants, of Christ’s earthly ministry.

3. The New Covenant that began at the Cross/Ascension/Pentecost. “It is finished!” and then the Curtain in the Temple was torn in half by God supernaturally. And then Christ instructed the necessity of leaving the earth: “I must go to the Father” for the Holy Spirit to come.

There was no speaking in tongues for the disciples before the Cross, if that’s your bugaboo.

But it sounds like you either don’t believe Peter actually was speaking in tongues at Pentecost, or that he was “babbling” instead of fulfilling that which the Prophet Joel had writtenl? Are you like the scoffers at the time, who presumed Peter was drunk and “babbling”?

I only agree with Paul: some speak in tongues. Not all. Just like Peter did. And just as John the Baptists’ disciples did. Was it all “babbling” then?

You’re just upset because I am a charismatic, spirit filled believer who is outraged at the heresies of the charismatic Church, and I know how to discern the spirits behind their false prophets and false teachings.

As to “instant spirituality”, I don’t know what your vague complaint even means. Unless we “pick up our Cross daily and deny self” we cannot be His disciples, whether we speak in tongues or prophesy or have the discernment of spirits or have dreams and visions or not.

You’re just mad because you can’t give one Old Testament scripture to support your idea that some Gifts “ceased” at the time the canon of Scripture was sealed.

Now go repent of your sin of attempting to squelch the Spirit and “despising (new testament) prophecy” while falsely accusing the brethren of some phony crime of taking the Lord at His Word that all of the Gifts are for today.

This includes but is not dependent upon everyone speaking in tongues or being a prophet, though again Paul admonishes “all to be ambitious to prophesy.”


206 posted on 04/19/2018 7:32:15 PM PDT by Sontagged (Lord Jesus, please frogmarch Your enemies behind You as You've promised in Your Word)
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To: Sontagged
You’re just upset because I am a charismatic, spirit filled believer who is outraged at the heresies of the charismatic Church, and I know how to discern the spirits behind their false prophets and false teachings.

I am not upset. Why? BecauseY I am a truly charismatic, spirit filled believer who is outraged at the heresies of the charismatic Church, and I know how to discern the spirits behind their false prophets and false teachings, especially yours. I know that you serially undertyake false assumptions, pretending to read my mind, my intents, and my relationship with my Heavenly Father and His Son. If you are upset, it is because you've been spotted, called out, and you erroneous suppositions refuted.

And I know that Jesus work was not finished when he cried out, "Tetelestai!" -- "It stands finished."

Do you know what "It" is? And what He had yet to do to complete His Work?

209 posted on 04/19/2018 8:14:22 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: Sontagged
You posited, "But it sounds like you either don’t believe Peter actually was speaking in tongues at Pentecost ..." and showed how upside down your knowledge of The Word is.

Peter spoke, but the Bible does not say he was speaking in tongues, it states that these several different national representatives heard each in his own language. IOW, the Holy Spirit was taking Peter's words, probably in Hebrew or Aramaic, and putting the message in the language each of the listeners needed, or placing the message directly in their minds. Don't believe me? Go read the passage again. You are in error.

How much more error are you dragging around in pride?

217 posted on 04/19/2018 10:35:46 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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