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To: Sontagged
You posited, "But it sounds like you either don’t believe Peter actually was speaking in tongues at Pentecost ..." and showed how upside down your knowledge of The Word is.

Peter spoke, but the Bible does not say he was speaking in tongues, it states that these several different national representatives heard each in his own language. IOW, the Holy Spirit was taking Peter's words, probably in Hebrew or Aramaic, and putting the message in the language each of the listeners needed, or placing the message directly in their minds. Don't believe me? Go read the passage again. You are in error.

How much more error are you dragging around in pride?

217 posted on 04/19/2018 10:35:46 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: MHGinTN; Sontagged
But Scripture clearly tells us the miracle was not hearing in tongues, so to speak but that the apostles SPOKE in different languages.

The Holy Spirit through Luke, then told us what those languages were by listing them, which basically precludes that which is being uttered by most charismatics as being the gift of tongues the the Holy Spirit poured out on the day of Pentecost.

221 posted on 04/20/2018 1:12:42 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: MHGinTN
Ummm....

And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

The Word of God says "cloven tongues like as of fire" fell upon "each of them" that were waiting there that Day.

Which means...

Peter.

Are you presuming Peter was somehow standing off to the side, absenting himself from this miracle of miracles, on this awaited and divinely appointed Day?

The Bible says the "cloven tongue" fell on ALL of them, and they were filled with the Holy Spirit and ALL of them began speaking in miraculous tongues...

... but you say this didn't happen to Peter?

That Peter was sitting off to one side, pouting in the corner, covering his head with his hands, shaking his head "No!" to the Lord and His Holy Spirit?

Or are you saying that this miraculous REVERSAL OF THE MIRACLE OF THE TOWER OF BABEL, in a tremendous sign of the power of our Holy God, somehow skipped over Peter because... he was above it all, or didn't want or need to experience it?

What are you saying?

Are you saying this same Peter who saw Moses on the Mount of Transfiguration, somehow was passed over on Pentecost and didn't speak in tongues together with EVERYONE ELSE waiting there that day?

Oh, so it happened to "all".

To "each of them",

but you say it didn't happen to Peter?

Mary was there with them on that tremendous Day, as well. Are you saying the "tongues of fire" missed her and she didn't also speak in tongues?

After Peter preached at Cornelius's house, the Spirit fell and all of the household spoke in tongues, but you would say Peter couldn't sermonize on what the gift of tongues is all about to these Gentiles, because he didn't have the gift himself?

Are you presuming to discredit this miracle, where God reversed His confusion of tongues at the Tower of Babel, in a sign of His awesome power at Pentecost?

Despite your accusations that I am in error about Peter speaking in tongues, Peter was with the other Disciples in the upper room when the tongues of fire fell and when they all spoke in miraculous tongues, in a language that all could understand supernaturally... which is why he defended the accusation that they were "drunk".

The fact Peter said "they" only meant that he was now addressing them in Hebrew or Aramaic while previously he was there with them, together and "of one accord" when they all spoke in miraculous tongues.

And what happened at the Tower of Babel is the Old Testament confirmation about speaking in tongues in the New Testament: God has power over language and how we speak.

He is the Word. He is the master linguist. Pentecost is a reversal of Babel. How do you know this wasn't the first original language that all men spoke and understood?

At Pentecost they were speaking in a language that people of different nationalities could all understand at the same time.

And there would be no accusation against Peter and the others being "drunk" if the miracle had to do with people's hearing.

Just as it was at the Tower of Babel, it was about how God could change our speech. If God can make a Donkey speak, God can give one language that everyone can understand, regardless of nationality!

Peter likewise miraculously spoke in a language that all could understand at the same time, a miraculous, heaven-created tongue.

And then Peter explains the miracle by saying that this is that which the Prophet Joel prophesied, that God would pour out His Spirit on all mankind.

And then, of course, Paul later discusses how the gift of tongues is a sign for the unbeliever.

Just EXACTLY as happened that day when Peter spoke to the crowd, who were so impressed by this miracle of the disciples speaking in one language that all could understand, that OVER THREE THOUSAND WERE ADDED TO THEIR NUMBER THAT DAY.

They knew that the miracle was not in their hearing, it was in the disciples' speaking.

This was a miracle of the first order, the powerful entrance of the pouring out of the Spirit on all mankind, in an absolute sign of God's power over language going back to the Tower of Babel.

What's more difficult for God? To have a donkey speak or to give people a language that everyone understands?

When Jesus comes back at the Second Coming, it is said that "every eye shall see Him". If He speaks, wouldn't He speak in a language that everyone will understand at the same time?

Sheesh. Now go be a good Berean and marvel at the Awesomeness of our God.

236 posted on 04/20/2018 4:36:56 AM PDT by Sontagged (Lord Jesus, please frogmarch Your enemies behind You as You've promised in Your Word)
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To: MHGinTN; Sontagged

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>> “Peter spoke, but the Bible does not say he was speaking in tongues, it states that these several different national representatives heard each in his own language.” <<

I agree with that interpretation fully, there were probably close to a million people there on the temple mount for the commanded feast of Shavuot, and Peter the fisherman was not physically nor intellectually capable of speaking in multiple tongues at once.

But why this arrogant offering:

>> “How much more error are you dragging around in pride?” <<

How much do you drag around?

Get nice!
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259 posted on 04/20/2018 8:27:05 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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