Posted on 03/29/2018 7:40:27 AM PDT by NRx
[Scalfari:] Your Holiness, in our previous meeting you told me that our species will disappear in a certain moment and that God, still out of his creative force, will create new species. You have never spoken to me about the souls who died in sin and will go to hell to suffer it for eternity. You have however spoken to me of good souls, admitted to the contemplation of God. But what about bad souls? Where are they punished?
[Francis:] "They are not punished, those who repent obtain the forgiveness of God and enter the rank of souls who contemplate him, but those who do not repent and cannot therefore be forgiven disappear. There is no hell, there is the disappearance of sinful souls."
Then God the Father sacrificed his Only Beloved Son for nothing.
Hey, I'm the most anti-Catholic poster on this forum and even I recognize this as stereotypical nonsense.
The laity were not considered adequately trained to understand scripture.
That is true. Thus, Catholic bibles have always contained commentaries.
Today the Bible is discussed openly at Catholic Bible study groups.
Today the Bible is denied, torn to shreds, de-mythologized, and reduced to parables and mythology in Catholic bible study groups. I guarantee it. They got this attitude from liberal Protestants.
And even then that wasn't much.
Pre-Vatican II readings on Sundays and Major Feasts covered only 16.5% of the NT.
Gospels: 22.4%
Acts: 3.5%
Pauline Letters: 18.1%
Deutero Paulines: 15.2%
Hebrews: 5.6%
Catholic Epistles: 13.2%
Book of Revelation: 0%
NT w/o Gospels: 11%.
Even less of the OT was read...amounting to 1%.
If this is over the three year cycle of readings, it is very little Scripture that is heard by the masses.
http://catholic-resources.org/Lectionary/Statistics.htm
It doesn't matter if they don't know what it's called. It's what they're taught in the commentary in all contemporary Catholic bibles and in almost all Catholic bible study groups. Just try to find one where it isn't. It's also pushed in articles in mainstream Catholic magazines, newspapers, publications, "apostolates," and web sites.
All this was invented by liberal Protestants. Yet Catholics have adopted it to discredit Biblical literalism and total infallibilty, which modern Catholics apparently can't tell from sola scriptura. I was in the Catholic Church for six years, and there were far more articles in Catholic publications attacking the facticity of the scriptures than there were attacking abortion!
Catholics attack "Fundamentalism" for "rejecting tradition" and teaching sola scriptura. But "Fundamentalism" doesn't teach these things. Protestantism does. "Fundamentalist" Protestantism is merely Protestantism that still teaches classic Protestant doctrines while the liberals changed everything and rejected everything supernatural. Liberal Protestantism also rejects Catholic tradition and teaches sola scriptura, but Catholics never criticize them for it. Instead they constantly engage in ecumenical activities with liberal Protestants (where they probably both spend all their time attacking Fundamentalist Protestantism). Now, if Catholicism is really against Protestantism, to always attack Protestant Fundamentalism and always engage with Protestant liberalism is counterproductive. But Catholics identify Protestantism as "fundamentalism" and then attack fundamentalism while clearly respecting liberal Protestantism as though it weren't Protestantism at all.
You'd think traditionalist Catholics could appreciate "fundamentalists," but Catholics can't call themselves this. To them "fundamentalist" is a dirty word, an obscenity, so even conservative Catholics attack Fundamentalist Protestants rather than liberal ones.
All words have a connotation as well as a denotation. Whatever the denotation of "fundamentalism" is, its connotation is that of persevering in the original supernaturalistic beliefs when everyone else has sold out. Yet it and not "Protestantism" per se is treated as the Ultimate Enemy. To me an attack on "fundamentalism" is an attack on remaining true, refusing to change, etc. That is the message Catholicism sends by exclusively trashing "fundamentalism." They make themselves sound like a bunch of new age loonies. Too bad they can't seem to figure that out.
I don’t know which traditionalist Catholics you’ve met, but a lot of our ire has been directed to the liberals and the Modernist heretics in both the Catholic Church AND the Protestant denominations.
I honestly can’t recall the last time someone at my parish launched an open diatribe on ‘fundamentalism’, relative to these greater heresies.
What documents have they read or written to support this?
What did I say?
Not exactly Shakespeare.
I honestly have nothing to say to you. You are a bigot and an idiot, and that’s just a beginning. Go troll someone else, I sure as hell have better things to do than hear anything from your retarded viewpoint.
OK, for the sake of the anti catholic trolls, I’m publishing the protestant catechism. Bible alone, faith alone, once saved always save, Yee Haw, I’m going to heaven!
As so often, but not always, it is the Roman Catholic who resorts to profanity and/or the personal attack when the argument goes against them.
I’m not The Roman Catholic. If you want my name and address PM me and say something to me personally. Troll
If you want my name and address PM me and say something to me personally. Troll.
Nah....let's keep it out here in the open for all to see. You're really putting on a good show.
There are no traditions, sacred or otherwise in the magisterial teaching of the Church that supports the Popes entirely personal opinion on the matter. Also, he has no authority, even if he desired it, to change truths preached always and everywhere in the Church.
If he truly believes that ther is no hell, he is a heretic and should be prayed for with great fervor, as we should do for all sinners.
If he truly believes that ther is no hell, he is a heretic and should be prayed for with great fervor, as we should do for all sinners.
But this man is a product of Roman Catholicism. He was chosen to be the head of the RCC denomination. Is he not emblamatic of Roman Catholic teaching?
1 Thessalonians 5:22 KJV
Abstain from all appearance of evil.
Yet look at the title of this thread.
Ooops...
A lot seem to be missing!!
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HAmmer and tongs; eh?
Doncha just LOVE the good old days!!!
Nice qualifier!
For the sake of Catholic souls; I’m publishing the VERY WORDS OF Jesus below:
John 6:25-40
25 When they found him on the other side of the lake, they asked him, “Rabbi, when did you get here?”
26 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, you are looking for me, not because you saw the signs I performed but because you ate the loaves and had your fill. 27 Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. For on him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.”
28 Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”
29 Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”
30 So they asked him, “What sign then will you give that we may see it and believe you? What will you do? 31 Our ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness; as it is written: ‘He gave them bread from heaven to eat.’[c]”
32 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, it is not Moses who has given you the bread from heaven, but it is my Father who gives you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the bread of God is the bread that comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”
34 “Sir,” they said, “always give us this bread.”
35 Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty. 36 But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe. 37 All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. 38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. 40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”
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