Me too. Mohammedans, or sometimes Moslems. In any case, heathens whose god is not the God of the Bible. When I show them, their heads and their tempers blow out. One threatened me with death, a restaurant waiter who was ready to jump over the counter to get at me until they calmed him down.
He had tried to buddy up by telling me that his Allah was the same as my God. When I showed him in my pocket Bible that this was not possible, because Jesus was the Son of God, and that Allah had no sons, the contradiction turned him vocally abusive and wanted to take it outside.
So much for Mohammedanism as a peaceful religion. Nobody knew it, but my Peacemaker was the .45 Auto under my jacket. I was glad that other means prevailed. Insh'allah, eh?
He had tried to buddy up by telling me that his Allah was the same as my God. When I showed him in my pocket Bible that this was not possible, because Jesus was the Son of God, and that Allah had no sons, the contradiction turned him vocally abusive and wanted to take it outside. Good on you. The made-up religion takes aspects of Christianity but is not the same
What is fascinating is that
- The word "Jesus" is used more times in the Quran (24 times) than the word "Muhammad" (4 times).
- "Muhammad" was originally a title meaning "the praise-worthy one" and was not a given name prior to the 7th century. So this was clearly the title given to a person. in fact if you read the times Mohammad is used in the Quran it shows
- "The praiseworthy one" is only a messenger
- "The Praiseworthy one" is the messenger of Allah...
- But those who believe in the revelation sent down to "the praiseworthy one"
- "The praiseworthy one" is the messenger of Allah
- The first time one hears of a "muhammad" or the Quran or Islam or Muslim is NOT at the time the Arabs supposedly conquered Egypt and Persia and Syria -- all HIGHLY LITERATE places that wrote down their hsitories. No, you read these words nearly a century later after the Ummayads were overthrown in 750 AD by the Abbassids
- The first biography of Mohammad is written more than one and a half century after this person allegedly lived.
- Prior to the "conquest" the Arabic tribes were already "Christian" - but Christian in the same sense that Jehovah Witneses are Christian - they were Gnostics or believed that Jesus was not God or was a lesser God etc etc. And these Arabs lived in the Roman Empire and the Persian Empire
- The "arabs" in the Hejaz were heterodox, believing in Arabic paganism but also with Gnostics, Nestorians, Ebionites (Jehovahs Witnesses like), Zoroastrians, Buddhists, even Hindus - and they had a large community of Jews - Medina was a Jewish city and 50 years prior to the alleged birth of "Muhammad" you had a Jewish King in Yemen slaughtering Christians and being overthrown by the Christian Axumite (Ethiopian) empire.
- The Quran has ben re-read in Aramaic - the lingua franca of the middle east from 700 BC to 700 AD and it reads as an Ebionite "Christian" text
To me this is clear that
- Originally there were Ebionite "Christian" converts among the Arabs
- They believed that Jesus was a prophet and "possessed" by the Holy Spirit (which is why the Koran says that he was abandoned by the Spirit on the cross
- They absorbed pagan Arab beliefs (the Ka'aba) and Zoroastrian beliefs (Paradise, dualism) and Jewish beliefs (making themselves the chosen people by having the Quran have Ishmael the one to be sacrificed instead of Isaac
- They emulated the PALMYRENE Empire (remember Palmyra which the Islamic state wanted to destroy? in the 3rd century they created an "Arab" empire that took over much of the Middle East before collapsing to the Romans) and also emulated Roman emperor ELAGABALUS (who was a descendent of the Semitic priest kings of Emesa (Homs) who worshipped a black rock) and took their chance when teh Roma and Sassanid Persian empires nearly collapsed after a 50 year brutal war
- They were WELCOMED by the Semitic Copts, the Semitic Syrians and by Jews and Samaritans -- why? Because they were fellow semites and they seemed to profess a similar Judeo-Christian monotheistic belief
- The ummayyads (661 to 750) were secular and are criticised by later Moslems for this - but they don't mention Mohammad, Islam etc - in fact Muawiyah calls himself a "defender of the faith" and has a cross on some of his inscriptions
- they were still trying to distinguish themselves from the Roman (Orthodox) Christians.
- Only with the Abbassids do they firmly make themselves Muslim
- And at the same time you see that the Moslem custom of bowing changes from Mecca to PETRA and ultimately to MECCA -- why? Why wasn't it Mecca from the beginning? Because Jerusalem was the holy city, only later under the Abbasids did they try to make it an exclusively Arab nationalism and chose Mecca, a city that wasn't on any trade-routes or cosmopolitan, hence decidedly ARAB (as opposed to other cities that were influenced by others)
- To Yulee what is the inscription on the inside of the dome of the rock? . There is no god but God. He is One. He has 2.no associate. Unto Him belongeth sovereignity and unto Him belongeth praise. He quickeneth and He giveth death; and He has 3.Power over all things. "The praise worthy one" is the servant of God and His Messenger -- this is NOT what is in the Quran -- to Muslims it would be HARAM (evil, wrong) to misquote the Quran. Yet this Ummayyad era mosque DOES it. - and notice if you read M as a title it is clearly referred to the EBIONITE Christian version of Jesus
- Yes, Jesus was the original, in the Quran referred to "praiseworthy one" - the Mohammad
- The Mohammad of the Sira is a mix of different Arab warlords ditto for the Hadiths which are heavily contradictory
- They started out as a heresy of Christianity jsut as the Jehovah's Witnesses are or the Ebionites or Gnostics were, but then added in Arab nationalism and created the idea of their prophet.
- Their very beliefs are contradictory -- "Allah is all-merciful", yet that means that he is dependent on his creations (how can you be all-merciful if you are just one). Without the concept of a Trinity, the idea of God saying "Let US make man in OUR image" makes no sense.
The push back on Mohammadenism must start from this -- [point out that the belief is contradictory, that it is originating as a Christian heresy and fails even religious belief.