Posted on 03/14/2018 5:02:35 PM PDT by ebb tide
Cardinal Walter Kasper, whose theology appears to be the chief inspiration for Pope Francis doctrine on giving Holy Communion to people living in states of adultery in second marriages, now appears to be claiming that homosexual unions contain elements of Christian marriage and are even analogous to it in a way that is similar to the relationship between the Catholic Church and non-Catholic Christian communities.
Moreover, the cardinal is attributing his claims to Pope Francis apostolic exhortation Amoris Laetitia, despite the fact that the document explicitly contradicts him.
The pope does not leave room for doubt over the fact that civil marriages, de facto unions, new marriages following a divorce (Amoris Laetitia 291) and unions between homosexual persons (Amoris Laetitia 250s.) do not correspond to the Christian conception of marriage, writes Kasper in a recently-released book on Amoris Laetitia.
He says, however, that some of these partners can realize in a partial and analogous way some elements in Christian marriage (Amoris Laetitia 292), continues Kasper.
Kasper compares such relationships with the relationship between the Catholic Church and non-Catholic Christian groups, whom Vatican II says contain elements of sanctification and truth of the Church.
Just as outside the Catholic Church there are elements of the true Church, in the above-mentioned unions there can be elements present of Christian marriage, although they do not completely fulfill, or do not yet completely fulfill, the ideal, adds Kasper.
The statements appear in Kaspers new booklet, "The Message of Amoris Laetitia: A Fraternal Discussion," which was recently published simultaneously in German and Italian.
In the same work, Kasper also insinuates that Amoris Laetitia opens the way to permit the use of contraception, a practice that is universally condemned in the Scriptures, Church Fathers, and the Papal Magisterium, most recently by Popes Paul VI and John Paul II.
Kasper notes that in Amoris Laetitia, the Pope only encourages the use of the method of observing the cycles of natural fertility, and does not say anything about other methods of family planning and avoids all casuistic definitions. In the context with the books passages on communion for those who commit adultery in second marriages, which use similar language, Kasper appears to be claiming that the pope is allowing for exceptions to the Churchs condemnation of artificial birth control.
Kaspers words regarding homosexual unions appear to directly contradict not only the doctrines of John Paul II but even Amoris Laetitia, the document he purports to explain.
Under the papacy of John Paul II and the administration of Cardinal Josef Ratzinger (later Pope Benedict XVI), the Holy Sees Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith expressly repudiated the idea that homosexual unions can be analogous to marriage. The document was issued in 2003 and received the approval of John Paul II.
There are absolutely no grounds for considering homosexual unions to be in any way similar or even remotely analogous to God's plan for marriage and family, the Congregation declared. Marriage is holy, while homosexual acts go against the natural moral law. Homosexual acts close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.
The paragraphs in Amoris Laetitia cited by Kasper to justify treating homosexual unions as analogous to marriage contain no clear reference to homosexual unions but simply refer to the constructive elements in those situations which do not yet or no longer correspond to her teaching on marriage.
However, Amoris Laetitia states in paragraph 251, In discussing the dignity and mission of the family, the Synod Fathers observed that, as for proposals to place unions between homosexual persons on the same level as marriage, there are absolutely no grounds for considering homosexual unions to be in any way similar or even remotely analogous to Gods plan for marriage and family. Francis and the Synod Fathers are quoting the same 2003 document of the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith mentioned above.
Cardinal Kaspers apparent desire to legitimize homosexual unions reflects the thinking of several influential bishops in the German hierarchy.
The Vice President of the German Episcopal Conference, Bishop Franz-Josef Bode, recently has said homosexual unions include positive and good aspects and has proposed blessings for them. He made similar comments in 2015.
Cardinal Reinhard Marx, a member of the Popes Council of Cardinal Advisers, apparently endorsed the possibility of blessing homosexual unions earlier this year, and then appeared to backtrack after heavy criticism, claiming that he only wanted to give such couples spiritual encouragement.
In June 2015, Bishop Heiner Koch of Dresden-Meissen (now Archbishop of Berlin), was quoted by the German Catholic newspaper Die Tagespost as saying, Any bond that strengthens and holds people is in my eyes good; that applies also to same-sex relationships.
The German bishops website, Katholisch.de, published an article in 2015 defending the notion of blessing homosexual unions, and blasting German Bishop Stefan Oster, who oversees the diocese of Passau, for defending the traditional moral teaching of the Church on sexuality.
Cardinal Kasper himself publicly endorsed Irelands creation of the institution of homosexual marriage in 2015, saying: A democratic state has the duty to respect the will of the people; and it seems clear that, if the majority of the people wants such homosexual unions, the state has a duty to recognize such rights.
However, Cardinal Gerhard Ludwig Müller, a German and former prefect of the Holy Sees Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, condemned such blessings in February, as have some other German and Austrian bishops.
If a priest blesses a homosexual couple, then this is an atrocity at a holy site, namely, to approve of something that God does not approve of, said Müller.
In announcing the publication of the book, Kasper complained that people are using the word heresy to describe the teaching that Holy Communion can be given to people in habitual states of adultery, which seems to be taught by Pope Francis in his apostolic exhortation Amoris Laetitia.
There is a very bitter debate (about the Popes teaching), way too strong, with accusations of heresy, Kasper said in a recent interview with Vatican News, the Holy Sees official news service, regarding "The Message of Amoris Laetitia."
In his book, Kasper protests against those theologians who have accused Francis of heresy, writing in a footnote, Who, other than the Magisterium has the right to make an accusation of that type? Doesnt the principle still hold that until one is legitimately condemned he must be considered to be within the orthodox church?
He also claimed in interviews that Amoris Laetitia is easy to understand.
This documents language is so clear that any Christian can understand it. It is not high theology incomprehensible to people, Kasper said. The People of God are very content and happy with this document because it gives space to freedom, but it also interprets the substance of the Christian message in an understandable language. So, the People of God understand! The Pope has an optimal connection with the People of God.
Is that so? Then how do you know you're in that "church"?
It is not an organization with the name of *church* after it.
Take away the people and there is no church.
And there's no such thing as a church if there are no people to make it up.
**And Roman Catholicism cannot by ANY stretch of the imagination, claim to be *holy*.**
There are a lot of saints who can prove otherwise.
Because I have placed my trust in Jesus Christ and Him alone for my salvation. I know I am part of the Church I just cannot day for sure who else is. I know my Father and He knows me.
Only God truly knows whats in the heart despite outward appearances. I look forward to the coming of my Lord and life everlasting with Him. I hope you are there as well.
In my opinion, the above is blasphemous.
It s not the denomination that makes one a saint but only their relationship with Jesus Christ.
How do YOU know YOU are in the one true church as well?
You all aren’t even sure you’re going to make it to heaven.
I only know of Catholic and Orthodox saints. I don’t believe non-Catholic denominations have canonized saints.
Only God truly knows whats in the heart despite outward appearances.
Rom 8:19 For all creation is waiting eagerly for that future day when God will reveal who His children really are.
No they don’t. You can’t show that an organization with catholicism’s history is holy just because a few good people may have been affiliated with it.
While we use the formal title saint for apostles and Gospel writers we have no canonization process. All believers in Christ redeemed by His Blood are saints and members of the Church Universal and Triumphant, a royal priesthood. We have that and so much more in Christ. Ephesians has a good list of blessings of believers all believers not just a special few.
Which you certainly are entitled to even when it is wrong.
So on what basis do you make that determination? Where’s the official church doctrine or teaching that supports your contention?
And His children wait eagerly as well. Come Lord Jesus!
It’s not up to me to prove a falsehood.
If you think God’s Church, Militant, Triumphant and Suffering cannot exist without us poor souls on earth, I challenge you to defend your position.
[10] Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no schisms among you; but that you be perfect in the same mind, and in the same judgment.
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Then why are you rebelling against your Pope?
He’s the one in charge after all, not you. You’re not allowed your own personal interpretation of Scripture, are you?
What’s the difference between you and Luther?
This is catholic hierarchy
I hope not
No; Jesus Christ is in charge, not a heretic pope.
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