Posted on 03/14/2018 5:02:35 PM PDT by ebb tide
Cardinal Walter Kasper, whose theology appears to be the chief inspiration for Pope Francis’ doctrine on giving Holy Communion to people living in states of adultery in second marriages, now appears to be claiming that homosexual unions contain “elements” of Christian marriage and are even “analogous” to it in a way that is similar to the relationship between the Catholic Church and non-Catholic Christian communities.
Moreover, the cardinal is attributing his claims to Pope Francis’ apostolic exhortation Amoris Laetitia, despite the fact that the document explicitly contradicts him.
“The pope does not leave room for doubt over the fact that civil marriages, de facto unions, new marriages following a divorce (Amoris Laetitia 291) and unions between homosexual persons (Amoris Laetitia 250s.) do not correspond to the Christian conception of marriage,” writes Kasper in a recently-released book on Amoris Laetitia.
“He says, however, that some of these partners can realize in a partial and analogous way some elements in Christian marriage (Amoris Laetitia 292),” continues Kasper.
Kasper compares such relationships with the relationship between the Catholic Church and non-Catholic Christian groups, whom Vatican II says contain “elements of sanctification and truth” of the Church.
“Just as outside the Catholic Church there are elements of the true Church, in the above-mentioned unions there can be elements present of Christian marriage, although they do not completely fulfill, or do not yet completely fulfill, the ideal,” adds Kasper.
The statements appear in Kasper’s new booklet, "The Message of Amoris Laetitia: A Fraternal Discussion," which was recently published simultaneously in German and Italian.
In the same work, Kasper also insinuates that Amoris Laetitia opens the way to permit the use of contraception, a practice that is universally condemned in the Scriptures, Church Fathers, and the Papal Magisterium, most recently by Popes Paul VI and John Paul II.
Kasper notes that in Amoris Laetitia, the Pope only “encourages the use of the method of observing the cycles of natural fertility,” and “does not say anything about other methods of family planning and avoids all casuistic definitions.” In the context with the book’s passages on communion for those who commit adultery in second “marriages,” which use similar language, Kasper appears to be claiming that the pope is allowing for exceptions to the Church’s condemnation of artificial birth control.
Kasper’s words regarding homosexual unions appear to directly contradict not only the doctrines of John Paul II but even Amoris Laetitia, the document he purports to explain.
Under the papacy of John Paul II and the administration of Cardinal Josef Ratzinger (later Pope Benedict XVI), the Holy See’s Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith expressly repudiated the idea that homosexual unions can be “analogous” to marriage. The document was issued in 2003 and received the approval of John Paul II.
“There are absolutely no grounds for considering homosexual unions to be in any way similar or even remotely analogous to God's plan for marriage and family,” the Congregation declared. “Marriage is holy, while homosexual acts go against the natural moral law. Homosexual acts close the sexual act to the gift of life.’ They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.”
The paragraphs in Amoris Laetitia cited by Kasper to justify treating homosexual unions as “analogous” to marriage contain no clear reference to homosexual unions but simply refer to the “constructive elements in those situations which do not yet or no longer correspond to her teaching on marriage.”
However, Amoris Laetitia states in paragraph 251, “In discussing the dignity and mission of the family, the Synod Fathers observed that, ‘as for proposals to place unions between homosexual persons on the same level as marriage, there are absolutely no grounds for considering homosexual unions to be in any way similar or even remotely analogous to God’s plan for marriage and family.’” Francis and the Synod Fathers are quoting the same 2003 document of the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith mentioned above.
Cardinal Kasper’s apparent desire to legitimize homosexual unions reflects the thinking of several influential bishops in the German hierarchy.
The Vice President of the German Episcopal Conference, Bishop Franz-Josef Bode, recently has said homosexual unions include “positive and good” aspects and has proposed blessings for them. He made similar comments in 2015.
Cardinal Reinhard Marx, a member of the Pope’s Council of Cardinal Advisers, apparently endorsed the possibility of blessing homosexual unions earlier this year, and then appeared to backtrack after heavy criticism, claiming that he only wanted to give such couples “spiritual encouragement.”
In June 2015, Bishop Heiner Koch of Dresden-Meissen (now Archbishop of Berlin), was quoted by the German Catholic newspaper Die Tagespost as saying, “Any bond that strengthens and holds people is in my eyes good; that applies also to same-sex relationships.”
The German bishops’ website, Katholisch.de, published an article in 2015 defending the notion of blessing homosexual unions, and blasting German Bishop Stefan Oster, who oversees the diocese of Passau, for defending the traditional moral teaching of the Church on sexuality.
Cardinal Kasper himself publicly endorsed Ireland’s creation of the institution of homosexual “marriage” in 2015, saying: “A democratic state has the duty to respect the will of the people; and it seems clear that, if the majority of the people wants such homosexual unions, the state has a duty to recognize such rights.”
However, Cardinal Gerhard Ludwig Müller, a German and former prefect of the Holy See’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, condemned such blessings in February, as have some other German and Austrian bishops.
“If a priest blesses a homosexual couple, then this is an atrocity at a holy site, namely, to approve of something that God does not approve of,” said Müller.
In announcing the publication of the book, Kasper complained that people are using the word “heresy” to describe the teaching that Holy Communion can be given to people in habitual states of adultery, which seems to be taught by Pope Francis in his apostolic exhortation Amoris Laetitia.
“There is a very bitter debate (about the Pope’s teaching), way too strong, with accusations of heresy,” Kasper said in a recent interview with Vatican News, the Holy See’s official news service, regarding "The Message of Amoris Laetitia."
In his book, Kasper protests against those theologians who have accused Francis of heresy, writing in a footnote, “Who, other than the Magisterium has the right to make an accusation of that type? Doesn’t the principle still hold that until one is legitimately condemned he must be considered to be within the orthodox church?”
He also claimed in interviews that Amoris Laetitia is easy to understand.
“This document’s language is so clear that any Christian can understand it. It is not high theology incomprehensible to people,” Kasper said. “The People of God are very content and happy with this document because it gives space to freedom, but it also interprets the substance of the Christian message in an understandable language. So, the People of God understand! The Pope has an optimal connection with the People of God.”
Quote any post of mine, where I've accused all non-Catholics as being followers of Luther.
Can you do that?
I am hanging in there, though I am having to endure this horrible place (California) I hate it, but I must get a new iPhone X, then I will jet back to my tropical paradise.
:-)
Who made you God?
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Jesus gave me the authority to bind and loose through the Apostles. Have you never read John 20 or Matthew 18?
And I’m using that authority. I could just let you continue on your hateful way and then laugh about what will happen when you die, but that would be sinful and wrong. I don’t like you at all, but I don’t want you condemned to Hell for eternity.
So repent, ebb. You don’t have to like me or even talk to me, but repent of your falsehoods and your hatred and return to Jesus.
If you don’t, you’re going to be condemned to eternal damnation. And it’s not because of me; I’m just warning you.
I had to repost my quote to keep it in the proper context.
I'll post again for the casual reader of the thread:>> You continue, either directly or indirectly, to attribute all non-Roman Catholics to be followers of Luther in one way or another.<< Get the quote right.
Quote any post of mine, where I've accused all non-Catholics as being followers of Luther.
Can you do that?
Protestantism, Modernism, Atheismhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3608661/posts?page=1278
Hence the need for the proper context of my quote.
Hard to believe, but I’ve actually had RCs tell me that Jesus’ words trump those of Paul, Peter, John, James, etc.! They don’t seem to comprehend that it is the SAME Holy Spirit who inspired ALL the writers of holy Scripture and He would not contradict Himself. It would be funny if it wasn’t so sad.
Yep! The knee-jerk reaction to criticism of Catholicism is to attack Luther.
Hard to believe, but I’ve actually had RCs tell me that Jesus’ words trump those of Paul, Peter, John, James, etc.!
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I believe it!
And my response to that tends to be either, “So, you’re saying that Scripture contradicts itself?” or some wonderful quotes about faith and grace from our Lord, followed by, “Do you believe that?”
Yep! The knee-jerk reaction to criticism of Catholicism is to attack Luther.
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Considering how pre Vatican 2 Catholics (and post V2 too) had their 2 minutes hate of Luther spread out over all their education and all their lives, I’m not surprised.
Then why did Peter deny Christ three times on Holy Thursday?
I also saw where he outright rejected the context and reference preferring to stick to the false quote! Now THERE'S scholarship for ya!
Are you really that unfamiliar with the account????
Then why did Peter deny Christ three times on Holy Thursday?
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Are you saying that the writings of the Apostles—specifically, Romans thru Jude—after the resurrection of Jesus are NOT inspired by the Holy Spirit?
Is that what you’re trying to claim?
Hard to believe, but I’ve actually had RCs tell me that Jesus’ words trump those of Paul, Peter, John, James, etc.
That statement, in my opinion, is heresy.
1: That’s not my post; that’s me quoting boatbums, who is referring to what other Catholics tell him.
2: Of course it’s heresy; it’s just too bad for the haters that it’s Catholics saying it, not me.
So the writings of the Apostles ARE inspired by the Holy Spirit then.
Nuh-uh, EB, you don't get a pass on answering ALL the other responses you've garnered by popping up another idiotic question! Catch up first.
Like I said...he’s a drive by Roman Catholic akin to the drive by media as coined by el Rushbo.
It’s telling that he hasn’t much company on his side of the fence. I think it’s pretty safe to say he has alienated just about everyone. Sad.
Isaiah 42:8-10
I am Jehovah, that is my name; and my glory will I not give to another,
And yet 'Mary' sure seems to want 'adoration' and 'veneration' and almost 'worship'.
There is quite a lot of Is and Mes in the following.
Do you believe her words to be true?
(Given to St. Dominic and Blessed Alan de la Roche)
| 1 | Whoever shall faithfully serve me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall receive powerful graces. |
| 2. | I promise my special protection and the greatest graces to all those who shall recite the Rosary. |
| 3. | The Rosary shall be a powerful armor against hell, it will destroy vice, decrease sin, and defeat heresies |
| 4. | It will cause virtue and good works to flourish; it will obtain for souls the abundant mercy of God; it will withdraw the hearts of people from the love of the world and its vanities, and will lift them to the desire of eternal things. Oh, that souls would sanctify themselves by this means. |
| 5. | The soul which recommends itself to me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall not perish. |
| 6. | Whoever shall recite the Rosary devoutly, applying Himself to the consideration of its Sacred Mysteries shall never be conquered by misfortune. God will not chastise Him in His justice, he shall not perish by an unprovided death; if he be just, he shall remain in the grace of God, and become worthy of eternal life. |
| 7. | Whoever shall have a true devotion for the Rosary shall not die without the Sacraments of the Church. |
| 8. | Those who are faithful to recite the Rosary shall have during their life and at their death the light of God and the plentitude of His graces; at the moment of death they shall participate in the merits of the Saints in Paradise. |
| 9. | I shall deliver from purgatory those who have been devoted to the Rosary. |
| 10. | The faithful children of the Rosary shall merit a high degree of glory in Heaven. |
| 11. | You shall obtain all you ask of me by the recitation of the Rosary. |
| 12. | All those who propagate the Holy Rosary shall be aided by me in their necessities. |
| 13. | I have obtained from my Divine Son that all the advocates of the Rosary shall have for intercessors the entire celestial court during their life and at the hour of death |
| 14. | All who recite the Rosary are my children, and brothers and sisters of my only Son, Jesus Christ. |
| 15. | Devotion of my Rosary is a great sign of predestination. |
"The Most Holy Virgin in these last times in which we live has given a new efficacy to the recitation of the Rosary to such an extent that there is no problem,
no matter how difficult it is, wheter temporal or above all spiritual, in the personal life of each one of us, of our families...that cannot be solved by the Rosary.
There is no problem, I tell you, no matter how difficult it is, that we cannot resolve by the prayer of the Holy Rosary."
Sister Lucia dos Santos
He doesn't want to waste HIS time with the indefensible; but wants YOU to waste yours going down yet another rabbit hole he has pointed out.
It's like the old canard:
Why do you keep going to the casino when you KNOW the games are rigged?
It's the only game in town.
It'll take more than words from THIS talking ass to convince him.
I figger the best I can do; in yet another provocative thread he's posted; is to show any unfortunate lurkers who have become entangled in it, just what the Roman spin is and compare it to Scripture.
I can't change the soil under my feet; all I can do is to toss the seed out there.
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