All Hell Breaks Loose - German Bishops officially open up Holy Communion to Non-Catholics

Rorate Caeli ^ | February 22, 2018 | New Catholic

[ebb tide]

The Francis Effect meeting the German Heresiarchy leads to an explosive decision of cataclysmic consequences.

Naturally, this Rome will not reject this aberration. This Vatican will welcome it. This pontificate will rejoice in it.

Report and translations from CNA/EWTN:

[Mom MD]

First I am not catholic and do not share the catholic view of communion

Second you are right Christ initiated communion before His death

Third Christ said this IS not this symbolizes. I understand in the Greek this is emphasized

Do I know how this works — no

Do I believe what my Lord said — yes

I believe that in with and under the bread and wine the Body and Blood of Christ are truly present. This is not a repeated sacrifice but rather a way Christ nourishes the new Life He has given us. I prefer to call it Grace you can see feel smell and taste. My church is not the only group of Protestants that teach this. It does not mean we buy into the convoluted and false teachings of the Catholic Church.

[ealgeone]

Third Christ said this IS not this symbolizes. I understand in the Greek this is emphasized.

I do not see the use of the emphatic pronouns in the Greek texts when Jesus refers to His flesh or blood.

I do see the use of the emphatic pronoun when He says, do this in remembrance of Me .

τοῦτο ποιεῖτε εἰς τὴν ἐμὴν ἀνάμνησιν

[Salvation]

"Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you" (Jn 6:53).

[ealgeone]

"Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you" (Jn 6:53).

Context Salvation...context.

[metmom]

It means universal. Capital C or lower C. I’m sure there is some twisted “biblical” explanation that no other Catholic has heard of, so I’m sure you’re right that I’ll hear from others.

what a bunch of hogwash.

Roman Catholicism is one of the elitist religious organizations going.

You can't get married in the Catholic church unless you convert.

You can't take communion unless you convert. I'll bet there's a whole host of other things they don't let you do unless you convert.

And this is *universal*?

"Outside the Church there is no salvation"

846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336

Not by a long shot......

[Mrs. Don-o]

To say things are "identical in every way" would be a break from reality.

The question is not whether things stay the same as in "a human embryo growing into a human adolescent," or the same as in "a fly trapped in amber."

There is a difference between development and corruption. The first is the antidote to the second. The second is the ruin of the first.

[metmom]

And “pope” simply means father.

Matthew 23: 8-10 But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brothers.And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Christ.

St. Peter founded the Church, not John the Baptist.

Wait what?

Y'all keep telling us the JESUS founded the Catholic church? Now it's Peter?

Can y'all make up your minds?

[Mrs. Don-o]

"To insist that nothing changed at VII, that the church before is identical in every way to the one after, is to deny the obvious."

I don't know anybody, living or dead, who ever said that, or thought it.

[ealgeone]

There is a difference between development and corruption.

Hold on a second....we've been told everything that Rome believes was handed down from the Apostles.

That doesn't leave room for "development"....unless that is also somehow redefined in Roman Catholicism.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Typo. “Not whether” should have been “whether”.

[metmom]

Concerning Catholic Caucus designation: Not with this one, which centers on the question of Catholic/Protestant intercommunion -— but with other articles, perhaps you could omit the overt mention of Protestants by using /snip/ or “...” elisions.

Not really.

If non-Catholics are mentioned in the original article that people can follow the link to, then it's my understanding that it is still ineligible for the caucus designation.

Perhaps the RM could verify that.

[Mrs. Don-o]

This is pointless. Of course there is development. If you want to argue for the wholesale rejection of development per se, I’m outta here.

[miss marmelstein]

Stop spamming me.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Good question. I await the moderator’s decision.

[metmom]

Well, yes, of course. I guess I should have stated that. But it was Peter who implemented it and died for it.

Wrong again.

It was JESUS who implemented it and died for it.

[Mrs. Don-o]

"Hold on a second....we've been told everything that Rome believes was handed down from the Apostles."

The concept of development itself (distinguished from corruption) was handed down by the Apostles.

Take a good long look at the Book of Acts.

[ealgeone]

The concept of development itself (distinguished from corruption) was handed down by the Apostles.

Not as defined by nor allowed by Rome to introduce new doctrines and requirements for salvation.

Take a good long look at the Book of Acts.

I have...I've been posting from Acts to you on this thread...you seem to have missed it somehow. But I'll repost again.

25But about midnight Paul and Silas were praying and singing hymns of praise to God, and the prisoners were listening to them; 26and suddenly there came a great earthquake, so that the foundations of the prison house were shaken; and immediately all the doors were opened and everyone’s chains were unfastened. 27When the jailer awoke and saw the prison doors opened, he drew his sword and was about to kill himself, supposing that the prisoners had escaped. 28But Paul cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Do not harm yourself, for we are all here!” 29And he called for lights and rushed in, and trembling with fear he fell down before Paul and Silas,

30and after he brought them out, he said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”

31They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”

32And they spoke the word of the Lord to him together with all who were in his house. 33And he took them that very hour of the night and washed their wounds, and immediately he was baptized, he and all his household. 34And he brought them into his house and set food before them, and rejoiced greatly, having believed in God with his whole household. Acts 16:25-34 NASB

[Mrs. Don-o]

"Not as defined by nor allowed by Rome to introduce new doctrines and requirements for salvation."

There has been no new public revelation, and there are no new requirements for salvation, since the death of the last Apostle (John, ca 100 AD).

I just want to remark that there are differences between stillbirth and stability, and between deformation and development. I don't know whether anybody is still reading this thread --- I have visions of FReepers/lurkers dying of aggravation or ennui as the number of responses climbed past 80 or so --- but if there is anybody out there, these would be good topics to discuss if it could be done by people well suited to dialogue.

[ealgeone]

There has been no new public revelation, and there are no new requirements for salvation, since the death of the last Apostle (John, ca 100 AD).

That isn't what Rome teaches...see the "development" of the Roman Catholic position on Mary for starters.

Unam Sanctam was a new requirement.

Papal infalability was new.

Clerical celibacy was new.

The Roman Catholic church is necessary for salvation is new.

Indulgences is new.

Only Rome has the authority to interpret Scripture is new.

The treasury of merit is new.

There's a whole bunch more that Rome teaches that is not found amongst the NT Apostles.

[Religion Moderator]

You are correct metmom.

Even if there is no link, for a caucus designation to stay valid, the article and thread must not have any mention or inference of a different belief system than the one the caucus designates.

The caucus designation will be removed if the guidelines are not followed.