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To: ealgeone

Your comment: “Except it seems in Roman Catholicism Mary is always held up along with Christ.”

Why shouldn’t she be held as an example of following God’s will as a virgin, free from sin and the Mother of God?

Did you ever consider that if she rejected God’s messenger, Gabriel, then Christ may not have died on the Cross for your sins and potential salvation?


57 posted on 01/12/2018 2:21:23 PM PST by ADSUM
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To: ADSUM
Why shouldn’t she be held as an example of following God’s will as a virgin, free from sin and the Mother of God?

She was a virgin...until Christ was born.

She was a sinner before and after Christ was born.

She is the mother of Christ....not God.

Did you ever consider that if she rejected God’s messenger, Gabriel, then Christ may not have died on the Cross for your sins and potential salvation?

You're saying all of Christendom rests upon what Mary says??

You are so deep into Roman Catholic teaching on this you don't realize what you're saying.

58 posted on 01/12/2018 2:35:48 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: ADSUM

Gods plans will not be thwarted Had Mary said no there would have been another. Who is this free from sin mother of god character you speak of? I cannot find her anywhere in Scripture.


59 posted on 01/12/2018 2:36:50 PM PST by Mom MD ( .)
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To: ADSUM; ealgeone
Why shouldn’t she be held as an example of following God’s will as a virgin, free from sin and the Mother of God?

Because none of us can be virgin, free from sin, and mother of God.

While SOME may attain the virgin part, the rest is not within anyone's ability.

Besides, Jesus said to follow HIM, not to follow His mother.

89 posted on 01/12/2018 4:16:42 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: ADSUM
Did you ever consider that if she rejected God’s messenger, Gabriel, then Christ may not have died on the Cross for your sins and potential salvation?

Nonsense...God would have known it ahead of time and picked another girl...Mary did not hold the future of eternity in her hands...That's nuts...

130 posted on 01/12/2018 7:18:06 PM PST by Iscool
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To: ADSUM; ealgeone
Your comment: “Except it seems in Roman Catholicism Mary is always held up along with Christ.” Why shouldn’t she be held as an example of following God’s will as a virgin, free from sin and the Mother of God? Did you ever consider that if she rejected God’s messenger, Gabriel, then Christ may not have died on the Cross for your sins and potential salvation?

The latter could be said of Queen Esther, that if she held her peace then there would have been no Mary, and she clearly risked her very life, but which does not make her a demigoddess as Caths make of Mary.

Moreover, the noble Mordecai warned,

For if thou altogether holdest thy peace at this time, then shall there enlargement and deliverance arise to the Jews from another place; but thou and thy father's house shall be destroyed: and who knoweth whether thou art come to the kingdom for such a time as this? (Esther 4:14)

But the object is not to Mary being honored as the holy chosen vessel to bring forth Christ, but to the excess ascriptions, appelations, exaltation, and adoration (and the manner of exegesis behind it), ascribed to the Catholic Mary, whether officially or by Catholics (with implicit sanction of authority). And which presumes that bowing down to a statute and attributing to the person it represent attributes and glory that are uniquely ascribed to God/Christ in Scripture, including the power to hear in Heaven incessant multitudinous mental prayers addressed to them from earth and respond to them, and imploring such for heavenly aid, would be understood and vindicated as merely being "hyperdulia," and not "latria" (which Rome states is the manner of adoration reserved for God).

As making that distinction itself is presumptuous, the Scriptures do not sanction religiously bowing down to any statue in supplication, nor supplies even one single prayer to anyone in Heaven but the Lord (crying "Abba, Father," Gal. 4:6; not "Mama, Mother"), nor in instructions on who to pray to ("our Father who art in Heaven," not "our Mother").

Note that many Catholic Marian attributions much parallel even that of Christ:

For in the the Catholic quest to almost deify Mary, it is taught by Catholics*,

Mary was a holy, virtuous instrument of God, but of whom Scripture says relatively little, while holy fear ought to restrain ascribing positions, honor, glory and powers to a mortal that God has not revealed as given to them, and or are only revealed as being possessed by God Himself. But like as the Israelites made an instrument of God an object of worship, (Num. 21:8,9; 2Kg. 18:4) Catholics have magnified Mary far beyond what is written and warranted and even allowed, based on what is in Scripture.

In addition, although (technically) Mary is not to be worshiped in the same sense that God is worshiped, yet the distinctions between devotion to Mary and the worship of God are quite fine , and much due to the psychological appeal of a heavenly mother (especially among those for whom Scripture is not supreme), then the historical practice of Catholics has been to exalt Mary above that which is written. As the Catholic Encyclopedia states, "By the sixteenth century, as evidenced by the spiritual struggles of the Reformers, the image of Mary had largely eclipsed the centrality of Jesus Christ in the life of believers." (Robert C. Broderick, ed., The Catholic Encyclopedia, revised and updated; NY: Thomas Nelson Publishers, 1987, pp.32,33)

151 posted on 01/12/2018 8:45:05 PM PST by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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