To: ravenwolf
Actually I’d say we were both mistaken.
It seems it’s actually Aramaic, not Greek or Hebrew.
http://biblehub.com/greek/2786.htm
However, the word, “Képhas”, is Greek, which is what’s used in all the manuscripts we have today. The word “Képhas” is derived from the Aramaic “Cephas” which means “rock” in other words. “Képhas” means “rock” in Greek, etc.
To: FourtySeven; Mark17; Elsie; metmom; daniel1212; imardmd1; Iscool; Mom MD; aMorePerfectUnion; ...
FourtySeven Actually Id say we were both mistaken. It seems its actually Aramaic, not Greek or Hebrew. ----------------------------------------------------- Yes i think you are probably right Elsa, you said i was wrong about their first meeting and you very well may be right as the one you referred to may have been before that. That is good thinking as it is a way to ignore the scripture i posted, so here it is again. American King James Version And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, You are Simon the son of Jona: you shall be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone. American Standard Version He brought him unto Jesus. Jesus looked upon him, and said, Thou art Simon the son of John: thou shalt be called Cephas (which is by interpretation, Peter). Douay-Rheims Bible And he brought him to Jesus. And Jesus looking upon him, said: Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is interpreted Peter. Darby Bible Translation And he led him to Jesus. Jesus looking at him said, Thou art Simon, the son of Jonas; thou shalt be called Cephas (which interpreted is stone). English Revised Version He brought him unto Jesus. Jesus looked upon him, and said, Thou art Simon the son of John: thou shalt be called Cephas (which is by interpretation, Peter). Webster's Bible Translation And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas; which is, by interpretation, a stone. Weymouth New Testament He brought him to Jesus. Jesus looked at him and said, "You are Simon, son of John: you shall be called Cephas" --that is to say, Peter (or 'Rock') World English Bible He brought him to Jesus. Jesus looked at him, and said, "You are Simon the son of Jonah. You shall be called Cephas" (which is by interpretation, Peter). Young's Literal Translation and he brought him unto Jesus: and having looked upon him, Jesus saith, 'Thou art Simon, the son of Jonas, thou shalt be called Cephas,' (which is interpreted, A rock.) ------------------------------------------------------- What does cephas mean? Dictionaries - Easton's Bible Dictionary - Cephas Cephas [N] [H] [S] a Syriac surname given by Christ to Simon ( John 1:42 ), meaning "rock." The Greeks translated it by Petros, and the Latins by Petrus. Given Name CEPHAS GENDER: Masculine USAGE: Biblical, Biblical Latin OTHER SCRIPTS: Κηφας (Ancient Greek) PRONOUNCED: SEE-fəs (English) [details] Meaning & History Means "rock" in Aramaic. The apostle Simon was called Cephas by Jesus because he was to be the rock upon which the Christian church was to be built. In most versions of the New Testament Cephas is translated into Greek Πετρος (Petros) (in English Peter). What does Cephas mean? Cephas image: http://cdn.thinkbabynames.com/img/play.png Pronunciation of Cephas as a boys' name is of Hebrew origin, and the meaning of Cephas is "rock". Biblical: what Jesus called his apostle Simon. Peter is the Latin translation by which he is more frequently known. Cephas See also: Céphas Contents 1 English 1.1 Etymology 1.2 Proper noun 1.2.1 Translations 1.3 Anagrams 2 Latin 2.1 Etymology 2.2 Pronunciation 2.3 Proper noun 2.3.1 Declension English Etymology Borrowed from Latin Cephas, from Ancient Greek Κηφᾶς (Kēphâs), from Aramaic כֵּיפָא (kēp̄ā, stone, rock). Proper noun Cephas The apostle Peter, using the name given to him by Jesus. Strong's Concordance Képhas: "a rock," Cephas, a name given to the apostle Peter Original Word: Κηφᾶς, ᾶ, ὁ Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine Transliteration: Képhas Phonetic Spelling: (kay-fas') Short Definition: Cephas Definition: Cephas (Aramaic for rock), the new name given to Simon Peter, the apostle. King James Bible And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: 1 cor 15 5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: Even Paul called Peter the rock. I believe it is plain that Jesus called Simon a rock. --------------------------------------------------------- I believe that should be enough to show any one who is honest that Jesus called Peter a rock which is interpreted in greek as a stone and them on to peter in english of course i am just like you as i don,t know shiit. But i am already aware that Jesus is the rock, and also realize that we can not tell him that he can not call Peter the rock if he wants. It does not take any more interpretation, it has already been done. If some of you want to prove the Catholics wrong you should be able to do it with out making it appear that Jesus Christ is wrong and that Peter was nothing but a goof up. Protestants are in enough trouble already being the daughters of a harlot, why prove to the out side world that you are one of the harlots? Deuteronomy 4:2 2 You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you. Rev 22:19 19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. Proverbs 30:5-6 Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar. Deuteronomy 12:32 Everything that I command you, you shall be careful to do. You shall not add to it or take from it. 2 Peter 1:21 For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit. 2 Peter 1:20-21 Knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone's own interpretation. For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit. Matthew 24:24 For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. Matthew 5:18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. James 3:1 Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness. 1 John 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 Peter 1:3 His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence, Have a good day brothers and sisters.
231 posted on
01/13/2018 10:49:46 AM PST by
ravenwolf
(Left lane drivers and tailgaters are the smallest peabrains in the world.)
To: FourtySeven
Actually Id say we were both mistaken.
It seems its actually Aramaic, not Greek or Hebrew.
Yes, it seems there are more in favor of Aramaic, than there are Hebrew.
235 posted on
01/13/2018 11:00:56 AM PST by
ravenwolf
(Left lane drivers and tailgaters are the smallest peabrains in the world.)
To: FourtySeven
However, the word, Képhas, is Greek, which is whats used in all the manuscripts we have today. The word Képhas is derived from the Aramaic Cephas which means rock in other words. Képhas means rock in Greek, etc. No, the word Kephas is not Greek. The Aramaic word pronounced as Kefas comes from the Chaldee tongue and is in lexicons as follows:
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Strong's Number H3710
כֵּף
kêph
kafe
Strong's Definition:
From H3721; a hollow rock: - rock.
Total KJV occurrences: 2:
Brown, Driver, Briggs Definition:
1) rock, hollow of a rock Part of Speech: noun masculine
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The sound of the word is transliterated into the Greek, and an inflected ending given to it. That word is:
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Strong's Number G2786
Κηφᾶς
Kēphas
kay-fas'
Strong's Definition:
Of Chaldee origin (compare [H3710]); the Rock; Cephas (that is, Kepha), surname of Peter: - Cephas. Total KJV occurrences: 6
Thayer's Definition:
Cephas = stone
1) another name for the apostle Peter
Part of Speech: noun proper masculine
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Kephas does not mean "rock" in Greek. It means "petros" in the Greek mind that knows no English, but "stone" in the English mind that knows no Greek. The KJV translators took the word "Cephas" from the Vulgate, where about 400 A. D. Jerome transliterated the Aramaic/Greek sound by using the Latin alphabet. The English alphabet has a lot in common with the Latin, except for example "K" which does not exist in Latin, which uses "C" to express the "K" sound. So to pronounce "Cephas" as "Seefuss" betrays one's lack of a better education. The word written "Cephas" in English is pronounced "Kay-fahss"
So, I hope you have followed this discussion of your mistaken conclusions.
Don't confuse transliteration with translation, nor interpretation (which is giving the meaning of a word in one language with the words of another language) with either.
C'est si bon!
243 posted on
01/13/2018 12:17:27 PM PST by
imardmd1
(Fiat Lux)
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