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To: Salvation; Elsie
Christ established his Church on the Apostles, telling them that he would be with them always and that the Gates of Hell would not prevail against it.

As regards the oft-quoted Mt. 16:18, note the bishops promise in the profession of faith of Vatican 1,

Hat tip to Elsie

Likewise I accept Sacred Scripture according to that sense which Holy mother Church held and holds, since it is her right to judge of the true sense and interpretation of the holy scriptures; nor will I ever receive and interpret them except according to the unanimous consent of the fathers. — http://mb-soft.com/believe/txs/firstvc.htm

Yet as the Dominican cardinal and Catholic theologian Yves Congar O.P. states,

Unanimous patristic consent as a reliable locus theologicus is classical in Catholic theology; it has often been declared such by the magisterium and its value in scriptural interpretation has been especially stressed. Application of the principle is difficult, at least at a certain level. In regard to individual texts of Scripture total patristic consensus is rare...One example: the interpretation of Peter’s confession in Matthew 16:16-18. Except at Rome, this passage was not applied by the Fathers to the papal primacy; they worked out an exegesis at the level of their own ecclesiological thought, more anthropological and spiritual than juridical. — Yves M.-J. Congar, O.P., p. 71

And Catholic archbishop Peter Richard Kenrick (1806-1896), while yet seeking to support Peter as the rock, stated that, “If we are bound to follow the majority of the fathers in this thing, then we are bound to hold for certain that by the rock should be understood the faith professed by Peter, not Peter professing the faith.” — Speech of archbishop Kenkick, p. 109; An inside view of the vatican council, edited by Leonard Woolsey Bacon.

62 posted on 01/07/2018 3:14:17 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone
Hat tip to Elsie

I got here late as usual.


Some day; I'll be gone from FR; gone from the computer and gone from the living.

I believe I'll be sleeping in the dust; one of the Dead in Christ.

I'll be awaiting the Last Trump (Ooooh! is the Donald a pre-cursor??)


Until the time I'm silenced here (and afterward; too) ; ANYONE can look up stuff I've posted and reuse it.

I copied it all (mostly; excess for my snarky stuff) from authentic sources; so RE-using it is not a problem with me.

208 posted on 01/08/2018 4:08:39 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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