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To: Bryanw92; suzyjaruki

Not trying to defend the Wesleyan view. Was being a bit flippant with the eat, drink and be merry.

The actual question was one that I asked Rod Rosenbladt about the doctrine of election that goes “you are dead in your sins, and dead men can’t choose”. It’s an example that I heard his associate Michael Horton use, and Horton teaches theology at Westminster Seminary CA so I assumed that it is legit Calvinist thought.

Rosenbladt agreed that it is a conundrum and he didn’t offer a solution for it. That doesn’t mean that there isn’t a sufficient explanation, it just means that I haven’t heard one that doesn’t leave me confused.


27 posted on 12/14/2017 5:29:10 PM PST by Pelham (Rope. Tree. Journalist.)
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To: Pelham

>>Rosenbladt agreed that it is a conundrum and he didn’t offer a solution for it. That doesn’t mean that there isn’t a sufficient explanation, it just means that I haven’t heard one that doesn’t leave me confused.

https://www.ligonier.org/blog/why-we-cant-choose-god/

“We’re not free from our own sinful inclinations, and our sinful appetites, and our sinful desires. We’re slaves to our sinful impulses. That’s what the Bible teaches us again, and again, and again. The humanist doctrine of free will, the pagan view of free will says that man is free not only from coercion, but man is free in the sense that his will is indifferent. It has no predisposition, or inclination, bias, or bent towards sin because the pagan and the humanist deny the radical character of the fall. But the Bible teaches us that we are fallen creatures who still choose and make decisions, but we make them in the context of our prison of sin. And the only way we can get out of that prison is if God sets us free.” (Sproul)

It only becomes a conundrum when you demand your “rights” as a human being to share power with God. Most American Christians are devout Humanists and Christian when it is convenient.


28 posted on 12/14/2017 5:36:38 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Asking a pro athlete for political advice is like asking a cavalry horse for tactical advice.)
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