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To: vladimir998; sparklite2; Elsie; Mrs. Don-o; Salvation; metmom; Mark17; daniel1212; ...
sparklite: “So it was either give up the graven images or drop the commandment. They dropped commandment.”

vlad "But they didn’t. It’s right there in the Catechism of the Catholic Church right after paragraph 2051. Here, I’ll include a link to it and this will demonstrably prove you wrong - which was inevitable of course: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/command.htm

The Traditional Catechetical Formula for the commandment(s) in question reads as follows:

1. I am the LORD your God: you shall not have strange Gods before me.

2. You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.

It kinda skips over a whole bunch of important commandment language.

In fairness this is included in the Catechism under the section of The Ten Commandments.

You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them or serve them; for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments. Ex 20:2-1

http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/command.htm

CatholicBible101.com lists the Ten Commandments as:(I only post the ones in question)

1. I, the Lord, am your God. You shall not have other gods besides me.

2. You shall not take the name of the Lord God in vain

http://www.catholicbible101.com/thetencommandments.htm.

In fairness, the website does publish the entire passage from Exodus.

Beginningcatholic.com lists the Catholic Ten Commandments as:

1. I am the LORD your God. You shall worship the Lord your God and Him only shall you serve.

2. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.

Regarding the division of the texts the Catholic Encyclopedia online notes the following:

The system of numeration found in Catholic Bibles, based on the Hebrew text, was made by St. Augustine (fifth century) in his book of "Questions of Exodus" ("Quæstionum in Heptateuchum libri VII", Bk. II, Question lxxi), and was adopted by the Council of Trent.

Another division has been adopted by the English and Helvetian Protestant churches on the authority of Philo Judæus, Josephus, Origen, and others, whereby two Commandments are made to cover the matter of worship, and thus the numbering of the rest is advanced one higher; and the Tenth embraces both the Ninth and Tenth of the Catholic division. It seems, however, as logical to separate at the end as to group at the beginning, for while one single object is aimed at under worship, two specifically different sins are forbidden under covetousness ; if adultery and theft belong to two distinct species of moral wrong, the same must be said of the desire to commit these evils.

Here again, we have ECFs in disagreement over a fairly basic issue.

http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=3184

However, the question becomes...what are Roman Catholics taught?

525 posted on 12/01/2017 5:01:30 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

However, it was not that way when I was taught the Ten Commandments in Catechism class.

I never could figure out why there were two separate commandments about coveting when one would have covered it.

The weak excuse they gave was that one was about marriage and the other one was about things.


528 posted on 12/01/2017 5:06:51 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: ealgeone

“It kinda skips over a whole bunch of important commandment language.”

No, actually it doesn’t. After all “1. I am the LORD your God: you shall not have strange Gods before me” means that you can only worship God and God alone. Thus, if someone only worships God and God alone than there is no violation. God commanded that images be made for the Temple. They simply were not worshiped as God. They were in places of prominence, made out of the best materials available, but were religious art used as reminders of unseen realities. They were not worshiped. Thus, if you’re reducing 17 verses to ten statements that are easily memorized then the Traditional Catechetical Formula makes perfect sense.

“CatholicBible101.com lists the Ten Commandments as:(I only post the ones in question)”

No. They list the Traditional Catechetical Formula of the Ten Commandments.

“In fairness, the website does publish the entire passage from Exodus.”

So you’re wasting everyone’s time then by citing the previous thing. Way to go.

“Here again, we have ECFs in disagreement over a fairly basic issue.”

It is basic - and yet we see Protestants disagree over basic all the time. On FR I have seen Protestants disagree over whether or not anything “happens” in baptism. You can’t get much more basic than that. Which Church is the real Church - the one established by Jesus of some latter-day novelty invented by a German monk in 1520 or some American in the late 20th century? Yeah, pretty basic, but Protestants get it wrong all the time. How many books belong in the Bible? Basic, but Protestants get it wrong all the time. You can look in some Protestant Bibles and see that they can’t even get things right as “basic” as whether or not John 8:1-12 is actually scripture!

“However, the question becomes...what are Roman Catholics taught?”

Look in the Catechism.


534 posted on 12/01/2017 6:24:28 PM PST by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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