Posted on 11/28/2017 12:09:34 PM PST by ebb tide
“Once again, you continue to exercise Vlad’s Rule #4....and #2.”
Once again you fail to make any argument at all. This all you can do. You only can do what you’re capable of so you don’t have many options apparently.
So far as I know, he is denying no such thing.
The fact that J*sus existed does not in and of itself prove chrstianity. The historicity of J*sus' alleged miracles or of his alleged resurrection do not in and of themselves prove chrstianity. Do you know why? Because G-d had already spoken, and any alleged "new revelation" has to be judged by the previously acknowledged Divine Revelation, even when the "new revelation" is accompanied by genuine miracles that "prove" it. If you would ever read Deuteronomy 13 without chrstian blinkers you would understand this.
You know, in every instance where Protestants argue with Catholics/Orthodox/Miaphysites/Nestorians I instinctively sympathize with them (the Protestants). Whatever else can be said about you, you are all so much more internally consistent in your critique of "works righteousness." You don't scream about the "old law" being "done away with" and then replaced with something else allegedly "better" because it's post-Biblical. Your position, though mistaken, is easy to understand. I don't get why the Catholics/etc. you argue with don't see it. But suddenly when you attack their rituals and ceremonies, they forget all about that Pauline antinomianism and become "defenders of the law" (so long as it isn't Biblical law).
But the sad truth is that Protestantism and Protestant notions of what constitutes the human condition and what constitutes "salvation" did not exist until going into the sixteenth century. There were no ancient Baptists, Pentecostals, J-- Witnesses, Church of Chr*st, etc. You insist there must have been because your more consistent philosophy compels you to believe this. But that doesn't make it anything more than dogmatic fideism (which Catholics/Orthodox are every bit as guilty of).
Your whole belief system is based on certain assumed (but never proven) assertions, such as that G-d created a creation that was as perfect as He is (though such a thing is impossible), that the fact that the universe is not now as perfect as G-d means it was corrupted by an evil supernatural counterpart to G-d (G-d forbid!), and that G-d's holiness compelled Him to do one of two things: either eternally damn every single human being who would ever live, or else "incarnate" Himself (chas vechalilah!) and then vicariously eternally damn Himself (???) in place of every human being who would ever live on the beautifully logical theory that "you can't go to hell if you're already there." The "self-evident truth" of this unexamined thesis compels your every position. What you refuse to consider is that perhaps the imperfection of creation and human sinfulness has another source and another remedy. You can't tell me anything about what you believe because, to quote Yondu in the second GOTG movie, "I was you, boy!"
On reading this, the Catholics/Orthodox will pat themselves on the back at being so much "saner." But their "sanity" comes at the price of all internal consistency. They don't seem to understand that, as a-historical as Fundamentalist Protestantism is, it would take the truth of the Protestant worldview to justify the creation of chrstianity. In the absence of this, with true historical chrstianity merely replacing a Biblical system with a post-Biblical one that is allegedly "exactly the same, only more so," historical chrstianity shows that it has never been anything but a racket from day one.
My "come to HaShem" moment was when I was reading an Eastern Orthodox booklet attacking the "apostate," pagan" western doctrine of "original sin" and admitting that the true understanding of human nature may be found in the Talmud. That being the case (and Eastern Orthodox admitting it), why in the world was a new religion even necessary? Answer: it wasn't.
So all arguments between various Jews and Noahides have ended???
The REAL spiritual poverty is with those who reject the true Messiah, Jesus, and the Divinely-inspired writings where holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit - the SAME Holy Spirit that inspired Moses and the prophets. Your dilemma is you once believed this and something/someone deceived you. God's grace is still available for all those who diligently seek Him.
> If you are an expert, post proof, which you failed to do.
I posted proof on this forum. I will not repeat what I wrote.
Vlad’s Rule #2....I’ll see if you can figure it out.
“I posted proof on this forum. I will not repeat what I wrote.
Ah, the true servant spirit of a scholar. Still limp bro. And now hiding.
His resurrection is well attested to by history...and not just the NT.
Without the death, burial and resurrection there is no Christianity.
Your whole belief system is based on certain assumed (but never proven) assertions, such as that G-d created a creation that was as perfect as He is (though such a thing is impossible),...
Does your Torah not have this:...In the beginning God created....
I would think whether your Jewish, Roman Catholic or Christian that would be a statement all would agree upon.
Well gee, it’s almost like trolling on a thread will get you flamed back.
You should start replying to OP more.
Once again you fail to make any argument at all. Of course.
aMorePerfectUnion’s comment to me in Post #370: “I simply wish you the best and say, “sure, vlad.””
aMorePerfectUnion’s comment to me in Post #363: “Thin-skinned Placemarker”
“To Protestantism False Witness is the principle of propagation.” (John Henry Newman, Lecture 4. True Testimony Insufficient for the Protestant View).
Sure Vlad.
Didn’t think you could figure it out.
Sure aMorePerfectUnion.
Oh, and also Vlad's Rule #5.
“Didn’t think you could figure it out.”
And I was sure you wouldn’t make an argument. No surprise.
> My “come to HaShem” moment was when I was reading an Eastern Orthodox booklet attacking the “apostate,” pagan” western doctrine of “original sin” and admitting that the true understanding of human nature may be found in the Talmud.
I was a roman catholic, atheist and pagan. I came to HaShem from a very dark place. When you feel HaShem’s wrath, you learn some things. I fear HaShem. I cannot describe how much I fear Him.
Oh, the argument is there...you just don’t see it due to Rule #2....but it’s right there in front of you and everyone else.
Still no argument. No surprise.
No, there’s no argument. You apparently can’t make one.
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