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Protestantism, Modernism, Atheism
Crisis Magazine ^ | November 28, 2017 | Julia Meloni

Posted on 11/28/2017 12:09:34 PM PST by ebb tide

“The reality of the apostasy of faith in our time rightly and profoundly frightens us,” said Cardinal Burke in honor of Fatima’s centenary.

In 1903, Pope St. Pius X declared himself “terrified” by humanity’s self-destructive apostasy from God: “For behold they that go far from Thee shall perish” (Ps. 72:27). How much more “daunting,” said Cardinal Burke, is today’s “widespread apostasy.”

In 1910, St. Pius X condemned the movement for a “One-World Church” without dogmas, hierarchy, or “curb for the passions”—a church which, “under the pretext of freedom,” would impose “legalized cunning and force.” How much more, said Cardinal Burke, do today’s “movements for a single government of the world” and “certain movements with the Church herself” disregard sin and salvation?

In Pascendi, St. Pius X named the trajectory toward the “annihilation of all religion”: “The first step … was taken by Protestantism; the second … by [the heresy of] Modernism; the next will plunge headlong into atheism.”

So let us, said Cardinal Burke, heed Fatima’s call for prayer, penance, and reparation. Let us be “agents” of the triumph of Mary’s Immaculate Heart.

A few weeks after that speech, the Vatican announced its shining tribute to the Protestant revolution: a golden stamp with Luther and Melanchthon at the foot of the cross, triumphantly supplanting the Blessed Virgin and St. John.

Bishop Athanasius Schneider has asked how the Vatican can call Luther a “witness to the gospel” when he “called the Mass … a blasphemy” and “the papacy an invention of Satan.” The signatories of the filial correction have expressed “wonderment and sorrow” at a statue of Luther in the Vatican—and documented the “affinity” between “Luther’s ideas on law, justification, and marriage” and Pope Francis’s statements.

At a 2016 joint “commemoration” of the Protestant revolution, Pope Francis expressed “joy” for its myriad “gifts.” He and pro-abortion Lutherans with female clergy jointly declared that “what unites us is greater than what divides us.” Together they “raise[d]” their “voices” against “violence.”   They prayed for the conversion of those who exploit the earth. They declared the “goal” of receiving the Eucharist “at one table” to express their “full unity.”

In Martin Luther: An Ecumenical Perspective, Cardinal Kasper confirms that the excommunicated, apostate monk is now a “common church father,” a new St. Francis of Assisi. This prophet of the “new evangelization” was “forced” into calling the pope the Antichrist after his “call for repentance was not heard.” But Kasper finds ecumenical hope in Luther’s “statement that he would…kiss the feet of a pope who allows and acknowledges his gospel.”

Kasper says Pope Francis’s Evangelii Gaudium, “without mentioning him by name,” makes Luther’s concerns “stand in the center.”

So it’s Luther’s “gospel of grace and mercy” behind, apparently, the high disdain for “self-absorbed promethean neopelagianis[ts]” plagued by a “soundness of doctrine” that’s “narcissistic and authoritarian” (EG 94).

So it’s Luther—the bizarre protagonist of “ecumenical unity”—behind the demand for a “conversion of the papacy” that gives “genuine doctrinal authority” to episcopal conferences (EG 32). Sandro Magister says the pope is already creating a “federation of national Churches endowed with extensive autonomy” through liturgical decentralization.

So it’s Luther behind the demand to “accept the unruly freedom of the word, which accomplishes what it wills in ways that surpass our…ways of thinking” (EG 22). Kasper says Luther’s faith in the “self-implementation of the word of God” gave him a heroic “openness to the future.”

Ultimately, Kasper’s Luther—a prophet of “openness” to futurity, a “Catholic reformer” waiting for a sympathetic pope—emerges as a symbolic father for Modernism’s struggle to change the Church from within. Modernism falsely claims that God evolves with history—making truth utterly mutable. So Kasper the Modernist says dogmas can be “stupid” and Church structures can spring from “ideology” and denying the Eucharist to adulterers because of “one phrase” from Christ is “ideological,” too.

Kasper baldly calls the “changeless” God an “offense to man”:

One must deny him for man’s sake, because he claims for himself the dignity and honor that belong by right to man….

We must resist this God … also for God’s sake. He is not the true God at all, but rather a wretched idol. For a God … who is not himself history is a finite God. If we call such a being God, then for the sake of the Absolute we must become absolute atheists. Such a God springs from a rigid worldview; he is the guarantor of the status quo and the enemy of the new.

A shocking ultimatum from the man hailed as “the pope’s theologian”: either embrace a mutable God who’s not an “enemy of the new”—or profess “absolute,” unflinching, hardcore atheism.

Kasper says the Church must be led by a “spirit” that “is not primarily the third divine person.” That ominous “spirit,” says Thomas Stark, is apparently some Hegelian agent of creation’s self-perfection. Pope Francis, against all the “sourpusses” (EG 85), describes our “final cause” as “the utopian future” (EG 222). Because God wants us to be “happy” in this world, it’s “no longer possible to claim that religion … exists only to prepare souls for heaven” (EG 182).

But Christ said, “In the world you shall have distress” (Jn. 16:33). The 1907 dystopian novel The Lord of the World hauntingly imagines the travails of history’s last days, when humanity has heeded Kasper’s call to “resist” God with absolute atheism if necessary. By this point, “Protestantism is dead,” for men “recognize at last that a supernatural religion involves an absolute authority.” Those with “any supernatural belief left” are Catholic—persecuted by a world professing “no God but man, no priest but the politician.”

More and more clergy apostatize. Man “has learned his own divinity.” Yet Fr. Percy Franklin still adores the Eucharistic Lord, still believes that “the reconciling of a soul to God” is greater than the reconciling of nations. He secretly hears a dying woman’s confession before the “real priests”—the euthanizers—come.

Her daughter-in-law, Mabel, scoffs that the new atheism has perfected Catholicism:

Do you not understand that all which Jesus Christ promised has come true, though in another way? The reign of God has really begun; but we know now who God is. You said just now you wanted the forgiveness of Sins; well, you have that; we all have it, because there is no such thing as sin. There is only Crime.

And then Communion. You used to believe that that made you a partaker of God; well, we are all partakers of God, because we are all human beings.

Mabel and the rapt multitudes ritually worship Man. God was a “hideous nightmare.” Their spirits swoon before a politician promising “the universal brotherhood of man.”

That “savior of the world” is the Antichrist. All must deny God or die.

For history, like the novel itself, ends not with rapturous utopia but with tribulation, apostasy, martyrdoms, and “God’s triumph over the revolt of evil [in] the form of the Last Judgment” (CCC 677). In the throes of his own tribulation, Fr. Franklin calls us to cling to the faith and those refuges of old:

The mass, prayer, the rosary. These first and last. The world denies their power: it is on their power that Christians must throw all their weight.



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To: ealgeone

“Once again, you continue to exercise Vlad’s Rule #4....and #2.”

Once again you fail to make any argument at all. This all you can do. You only can do what you’re capable of so you don’t have many options apparently.


401 posted on 11/30/2017 5:53:05 PM PST by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: ealgeone; All
You deny, in spite of the historical evidence, that Jesus existed?

So far as I know, he is denying no such thing.

The fact that J*sus existed does not in and of itself prove chrstianity. The historicity of J*sus' alleged miracles or of his alleged resurrection do not in and of themselves prove chrstianity. Do you know why? Because G-d had already spoken, and any alleged "new revelation" has to be judged by the previously acknowledged Divine Revelation, even when the "new revelation" is accompanied by genuine miracles that "prove" it. If you would ever read Deuteronomy 13 without chrstian blinkers you would understand this.

You know, in every instance where Protestants argue with Catholics/Orthodox/Miaphysites/Nestorians I instinctively sympathize with them (the Protestants). Whatever else can be said about you, you are all so much more internally consistent in your critique of "works righteousness." You don't scream about the "old law" being "done away with" and then replaced with something else allegedly "better" because it's post-Biblical. Your position, though mistaken, is easy to understand. I don't get why the Catholics/etc. you argue with don't see it. But suddenly when you attack their rituals and ceremonies, they forget all about that Pauline antinomianism and become "defenders of the law" (so long as it isn't Biblical law).

But the sad truth is that Protestantism and Protestant notions of what constitutes the human condition and what constitutes "salvation" did not exist until going into the sixteenth century. There were no ancient Baptists, Pentecostals, J-- Witnesses, Church of Chr*st, etc. You insist there must have been because your more consistent philosophy compels you to believe this. But that doesn't make it anything more than dogmatic fideism (which Catholics/Orthodox are every bit as guilty of).

Your whole belief system is based on certain assumed (but never proven) assertions, such as that G-d created a creation that was as perfect as He is (though such a thing is impossible), that the fact that the universe is not now as perfect as G-d means it was corrupted by an evil supernatural counterpart to G-d (G-d forbid!), and that G-d's holiness compelled Him to do one of two things: either eternally damn every single human being who would ever live, or else "incarnate" Himself (chas vechalilah!) and then vicariously eternally damn Himself (???) in place of every human being who would ever live on the beautifully logical theory that "you can't go to hell if you're already there." The "self-evident truth" of this unexamined thesis compels your every position. What you refuse to consider is that perhaps the imperfection of creation and human sinfulness has another source and another remedy. You can't tell me anything about what you believe because, to quote Yondu in the second GOTG movie, "I was you, boy!"

On reading this, the Catholics/Orthodox will pat themselves on the back at being so much "saner." But their "sanity" comes at the price of all internal consistency. They don't seem to understand that, as a-historical as Fundamentalist Protestantism is, it would take the truth of the Protestant worldview to justify the creation of chrstianity. In the absence of this, with true historical chrstianity merely replacing a Biblical system with a post-Biblical one that is allegedly "exactly the same, only more so," historical chrstianity shows that it has never been anything but a racket from day one.

My "come to HaShem" moment was when I was reading an Eastern Orthodox booklet attacking the "apostate," pagan" western doctrine of "original sin" and admitting that the true understanding of human nature may be found in the Talmud. That being the case (and Eastern Orthodox admitting it), why in the world was a new religion even necessary? Answer: it wasn't.

402 posted on 11/30/2017 5:53:11 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Vegam Yehudah tillachem biYrushalayim . . . .)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
All you poor folks on this thread could solve this dilemma by simply rejecting the "new testament" and chrstianity altogether. Other than this, there seems no end to the argument within chrstianity.

So all arguments between various Jews and Noahides have ended???

The REAL spiritual poverty is with those who reject the true Messiah, Jesus, and the Divinely-inspired writings where holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit - the SAME Holy Spirit that inspired Moses and the prophets. Your dilemma is you once believed this and something/someone deceived you. God's grace is still available for all those who diligently seek Him.

403 posted on 11/30/2017 5:54:07 PM PST by boatbums (The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation, but washes you upon the Rock of Ages.)
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To: vladimir998
Sure, Vlad. 😂
404 posted on 11/30/2017 5:54:09 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

> If you are an expert, post proof, which you failed to do.

I posted proof on this forum. I will not repeat what I wrote.


405 posted on 11/30/2017 5:54:21 PM PST by Hrvatski Noahid
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To: vladimir998

Vlad’s Rule #2....I’ll see if you can figure it out.


406 posted on 11/30/2017 5:55:19 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: Hrvatski Noahid

“I posted proof on this forum. I will not repeat what I wrote.

Ah, the true servant spirit of a scholar. Still limp bro. And now hiding.


407 posted on 11/30/2017 5:57:22 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Zionist Conspirator
The fact that J*sus existed does not in and of itself prove chrstianity. The historicity of J*sus' alleged miracles or of his alleged resurrection do not in and of themselves prove chrstianity.

His resurrection is well attested to by history...and not just the NT.

Without the death, burial and resurrection there is no Christianity.

Your whole belief system is based on certain assumed (but never proven) assertions, such as that G-d created a creation that was as perfect as He is (though such a thing is impossible),...

Does your Torah not have this:...In the beginning God created....

I would think whether your Jewish, Roman Catholic or Christian that would be a statement all would agree upon.

408 posted on 11/30/2017 5:59:43 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Well gee, it’s almost like trolling on a thread will get you flamed back.

You should start replying to OP more.


409 posted on 11/30/2017 6:03:26 PM PST by Luircin
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To: ealgeone

Once again you fail to make any argument at all. Of course.


410 posted on 11/30/2017 6:13:45 PM PST by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

aMorePerfectUnion’s comment to me in Post #370: “I simply wish you the best and say, “sure, vlad.””

aMorePerfectUnion’s comment to me in Post #363: “Thin-skinned Placemarker”

“To Protestantism False Witness is the principle of propagation.” (John Henry Newman, Lecture 4. True Testimony Insufficient for the Protestant View).


411 posted on 11/30/2017 6:17:53 PM PST by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: vladimir998

Sure Vlad.


412 posted on 11/30/2017 6:21:41 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: vladimir998

Didn’t think you could figure it out.


413 posted on 11/30/2017 6:28:09 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Sure aMorePerfectUnion.


414 posted on 11/30/2017 6:32:16 PM PST by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: vladimir998; aMorePerfectUnion
Vlad’s Rules of Internet Debate #8…feign being offended while pretending to take the high ground.

Oh, and also Vlad's Rule #5.

415 posted on 11/30/2017 6:37:24 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

“Didn’t think you could figure it out.”

And I was sure you wouldn’t make an argument. No surprise.


416 posted on 11/30/2017 6:37:38 PM PST by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

> My “come to HaShem” moment was when I was reading an Eastern Orthodox booklet attacking the “apostate,” pagan” western doctrine of “original sin” and admitting that the true understanding of human nature may be found in the Talmud.

I was a roman catholic, atheist and pagan. I came to HaShem from a very dark place. When you feel HaShem’s wrath, you learn some things. I fear HaShem. I cannot describe how much I fear Him.


417 posted on 11/30/2017 6:39:47 PM PST by Hrvatski Noahid
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To: vladimir998; MHGinTN

Oh, the argument is there...you just don’t see it due to Rule #2....but it’s right there in front of you and everyone else.


418 posted on 11/30/2017 6:40:43 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

Still no argument. No surprise.


419 posted on 11/30/2017 6:40:50 PM PST by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: ealgeone

No, there’s no argument. You apparently can’t make one.


420 posted on 11/30/2017 6:41:36 PM PST by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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