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Why Damnation Is Eternal and Other Teachings on Hell
Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 11-21-17 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 11/22/2017 9:12:43 AM PST by Salvation

Why Damnation Is Eternal and Other Teachings on Hell

November 21, 2017

This is the thirteenth and final installment in a series on the Four Last Things: Death, Judgment, Heaven and Hell.

The teachings of the Lord on Hell are difficult, especially in today’s climate. The most difficult questions that arise relate to its eternal nature and how to square its existence with a God who is loving and rich in mercy. As a closing reflection on Hell and on the Four Last Things, let us ponder a series of questions.

1. Does God love the souls in Hell? Yes.

How could they continue to exist if He did not love them, sustain them, and continue to provide for them? God loves because He is love. Although we may fail to be able to experience or accept His love, God loves every being He has made, human or angelic.

The souls in Hell may have refused to empty their arms to receive His embrace, but God has not withdrawn His love for them. He permits those who have rejected Him to live apart from him. God honors their freedom to say no, even respecting it when it becomes permanent, as it has for fallen angels and the souls in Hell.

God is not tormenting the damned. The fire and other miseries are largely expressions of the sad condition of those who have rejected the one thing for which they were made: to be caught up into the love and perfection of God and the joy of all the saints.

2. Is there any good at all in Hell? Yes. Are all the damned punished equally? No.

While Heaven is perfection and pure goodness, Hell is not pure evil. The reason for this is that evil is the privation or absence of something good that should be there. If goodness were completely absent, there would be nothing there. Therefore, there must be some goodness in Hell or there would be nothing at all. St. Thomas Aquinas teaches,

It is impossible for evil to be pure and without the admixture of good …. [So]those who will be thrust into hell will not be free from all good … those who are in hell can receive the reward of their goods, in so far as their past goods avail for the mitigation of their punishment (Summa Theologica, Supplement 69.7, reply ad 9).

This can assist us in understanding that God’s punishments are just and that the damned are neither devoid of all good nor lacking in any experience of good. Even though a soul does not wish to dwell in God’s Kingdom (evidenced by rejection of God or the values of His Kingdom), the nature of suffering in Hell is commensurate with the sin(s) that caused exclusion from Heaven.

This would seem to be true even of demons. In the Rite of Exorcism, the exorcist warns the possessing demons, “The longer you delay your departure, the worse your punishment shall be.” This suggest levels of punishment in Hell based on the degree of unrepented wickedness.

In his Inferno, Dante described levels within Hell and wrote that not all the damned experience identical sufferings. Thus, an unrepentant adulterer might not experience the same suffering in kind or degree as would a genocidal, atheistic head of state responsible for the death of millions. Both have rejected key values of the Kingdom: one rejected chastity, the other rejected the worship due to God and the sacredness of human life. The magnitude of those sins is very different and so would be the consequences.

Heaven is a place of absolute perfection, a work accomplished by God for those who say yes. Hell, though a place of great evil, is not one of absolute evil. It cannot be, because God continues to sustain human and angelic beings in existence there and existence itself is good. God also judges them according to their deeds (Rom 2:6). Their good deeds may ameliorate their sufferings. This, too, is good and allows for good in varying degrees there. Hell is not in any way pleasant, but it is not equally bad for all. Thus God’s justice, which is good, reaches even Hell.

3. Do the souls in Hell repent of what they have done? No, not directly.

After death, repentance in the formal sense is not possible. However, St. Thomas makes an important distinction. He says,

A person may repent of sin in two ways: in one way directly, in another way indirectly. He repents of a sin directly who hates sin as such: and he repents indirectly who hates it on account of something connected with it, for instance punishment or something of that kind. Accordingly, the wicked will not repent of their sins directly, because consent in the malice of sin will remain in them; but they will repent indirectly, inasmuch as they will suffer from the punishment inflicted on them for sin (Summa Theologica, Supplement, q 98, art 2).

This explains the “wailing and grinding of teeth” in so far as it points to the lament of the damned. They do not lament their choice to sin without repenting, but for the consequences. In the Parable of Lazarus, the rich man in Hell laments his suffering but expresses no regret over the way he treated the beggar Lazarus. Indeed, he still sees Lazarus as a kind of errand-boy, who should fetch him water and warn his brothers. In a certain sense the rich man cannot repent; his character is now quickened and his choices forever fixed.

4. Is eternal punishment just? Yes.

Many who might otherwise accept God’s punishment of sinners are still dismayed that Hell is eternal. Why should one be punished eternally for sins committed over a brief time span, perhaps in just a moment? The punishment does not seem to fit the crime.

This logic presumes that the eternal nature of Hell is intrinsic to the punishment, but it is not. Rather, Hell is eternal because repentance is no longer available after death. Our decision for or against God and the values of His Kingdom values becomes forever fixed. Because at this point the will is fixed and obstinate, the repentance that unlocks mercy will never be forthcoming.

St. Thomas teaches,

[A]s Damascene says (De Fide Orth. ii) “death is to men what their fall was to the angels.” Now after their fall the angels could not be restored [Cf. I:64:2]. Therefore, neither can man after death: and thus the punishment of the damned will have no end. … [So] just as the demons are obstinate in wickedness and therefore have to be punished for ever, so too are the souls of men who die without charity, since “death is to men what their fall was to the angels,” as Damascene says (Summa Theologica, Supplement, q 99, art 3).

5. Do the souls in Hell hate God? No, not directly.

St. Thomas teaches,

The appetite is moved by good or evil apprehended. Now God is apprehended in two ways, namely in Himself, as by the blessed, who see Him in His essence; and in His effects, as by us and by the damned. Since, then, He is goodness by His essence, He cannot in Himself be displeasing to any will; wherefore whoever sees Him in His essence cannot hate Him.

On the other hand, some of His effects are displeasing to the will in so far as they are opposed to any one: and accordingly a person may hate God not in Himself, but by reason of His effects. Therefore, the damned, perceiving God in His punishment, which is the effect of His justice, hate Him, even as they hate the punishment inflicted on them (Summa Theologica, Supplement, q 98, art 5).

6. Do the souls in hell wish they were dead? No.

It is impossible to detest what is fundamentally good, and to exist is fundamentally good. Those who say that they “wish they were dead” do not really wish nonexistence upon themselves. Rather, they wish an end to their suffering. So it is with the souls in Hell. St. Thomas teaches,

Not to be may be considered in two ways. First, in itself, and thus it can nowise be desirable, since it has no aspect of good, but is pure privation of good. Secondly, it may be considered as a relief from a painful life or from some unhappiness: and thus “not to be” takes on the aspect of good, since “to lack an evil is a kind of good” as the Philosopher says (Ethic. v, 1). In this way it is better for the damned not to be than to be unhappy. Hence it is said (Matthew 26:24): “It were better for him, if that man had not been born,” and (Jeremiah 20:14): “Cursed be the day wherein I was born,” where a gloss of Jerome observes: “It is better not to be than to be evilly.” In this sense the damned can prefer “not to be” according to their deliberate reason (Summa Theologica, Supplement, q 98, art 3).

7. Do the souls in Hell see the blessed in Heaven?

Some biblical texts say that the damned see the saints in glory. For example, the rich man in the parable can see Lazarus in the Bosom of Abraham (Lk 16:3). Further, Jesus says, There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when you see Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves are thrown out (Lk 13:28). However, St Thomas makes a distinction:

The damned, before the judgment day, will see the blessed in glory, in such a way as to know, not what that glory is like, but only that they are in a state of glory that surpasses all thought. This will trouble them, both because they will, through envy, grieve for their happiness, and because they have forfeited that glory. Hence it is written (Wisdom 5:2) concerning the wicked: “Seeing it” they “shall be troubled with terrible fear.”

After the judgment day, however, they will be altogether deprived of seeing the blessed: nor will this lessen their punishment, but will increase it; because they will bear in remembrance the glory of the blessed which they saw at or before the judgment: and this will torment them. Moreover, they will be tormented by finding themselves deemed unworthy even to see the glory which the saints merit to have (Summa Theologica, Supplement, q 98, art 9).

St Thomas does not cite a Scripture for this conclusion. However, certain texts about the Last Judgment emphasize a kind of definitive separation. For example, in Matthew 25 we read this: All the nations will be gathered before [the Son of Man], and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. … Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life (Mat 25:32, 46).

Clearly, Hell is a tragic and eternal separation from God. Repentance, which unlocks mercy, is available to us; but after death, like clay pottery placed in the kiln, our decision is forever fixed.

Choose the Lord today! Judgment day looms. Now is the time to admit our sins humbly and to seek the Lord’s mercy. There is simply nothing more foolish than defiance and an obstinate refusal to repent. At some point, our hardened hearts will reach a state in which there is no turning back. To die in such a condition is to close the door of our heart on God forever.

Somebody’s knocking at your door.
Oh sinner, why don’t you answer?
Somebody’s knocking at your door!


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Theology
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To: Salvation
The issue of Purgatory is a false one and is not supported by the New Testament.

8See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ. 9For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,

10and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority;

11and in Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ;

12having been buried with Him in baptism, in which you were also raised up with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.

13When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions,

14having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.

Colossians 2:8-14 NASB

21 posted on 11/22/2017 11:19:29 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

It is supported in the New Testament through Christ’s words.


22 posted on 11/22/2017 12:20:19 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
I guess Catholics are the only “true” Christians, then because only they have the right scripture and the right leader? Where have I heard that before?

Romans 1:20 says no man has an excuse - because God himself will reveal his truth to those that seek Him.

You don't have to belong to the Pope Club (tm) to be a Christian. Sorry.

23 posted on 11/22/2017 12:33:19 PM PST by BereanBrain
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To: BereanBrain

......”You don’t have to belong to the Pope Club to be a Christian”....

Very true...unfortunately trying to show those convinced the pope is not the Vicar of Christ is like trying to tell N.Koreans Kim Un isn’t a God.....


24 posted on 11/22/2017 12:43:56 PM PST by caww (freeen)
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To: Salvation
It is supported in the New Testament through Christ’s words.

If we've been made complete in Him and all of our transgressions are forgiven as noted in the passage from Colossians, what good is purgatory?

Again, it is not supported by the New Testament.

You're going to have to post the verses that you claim supports Christ saying there is a purgatory.

25 posted on 11/22/2017 12:45:08 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: BereanBrain

The OP never mentions purgatory. Do you normally hijack threads like this?


26 posted on 11/22/2017 12:58:08 PM PST by Campion (Halten Sie sich unbedingt an die Lehre!)
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To: caww

1 Tim 2:5 agrees


27 posted on 11/22/2017 2:24:16 PM PST by BereanBrain
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To: SubMareener

It won’t happen, though.


28 posted on 11/22/2017 2:27:08 PM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: Campion

I assume you imply that by hijacking a thread and putting in something extra is not good for finding truth?

The said state of Christianity is that both Protestants and Catholics hijack the scripture to teach a point beyond what can be learned from a reading of the scriptures.

We should become students (disciples) of Christ, and study the scriptures, and believe them through the Holy Spirt more than we trust in the men.

Jude 1:3 seems to indicate we should not appeal to “modern” saints.


29 posted on 11/22/2017 2:33:11 PM PST by BereanBrain
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To: ealgeone

Not on this thread. This thread is focused on hell.


30 posted on 11/22/2017 2:43:08 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

I think it would be ok.


31 posted on 11/22/2017 3:10:59 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: BereanBrain

I see no mention of purgatory in this article. Just repentance. You must repent in this life. The Monsignor makes that very clear.


32 posted on 11/22/2017 3:33:24 PM PST by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is now the operational arm of the CPUSA)
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To: NorthMountain

Apparently not! They just kept on yapping about it. Oh, well! It will be all written down in their book, and Jesus can explain things to them when they have to face Him.

1CO3:12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 
1CO3:13 Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is.
1CO3:14 If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
1CO3:15 If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

God. KING JAMES BIBLE TOUCH - KJV (Kindle Locations 44922-44927). Kindle Edition.


33 posted on 11/22/2017 3:42:46 PM PST by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR)
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To: Salvation

Many people - including me - believe the unsaved are not eternally punished by God but are annihilated, that is, God causes them to no longer exist.

Search online for Edward Fudge’s book “The Fire That Consumes” for more information on this viewpoint.


34 posted on 11/22/2017 4:19:27 PM PST by redfog
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To: NorthMountain

Excellent point, North Mountain.


35 posted on 11/22/2017 7:09:07 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Stone cold sober, as a matter of fact.)
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To: SubMareener

**Remember when the Apostles tried to replace Judas Iscariot by giving Elohim two choices to pick from? Well, how did that work out for them? Jesus chose Saul of Tarsus, and we never heard about Matthias again.**

Tried to replace? They did replace Judas, as David prophesied that they would. And they did so with a man that had been one of the followers (but not one of the twelve), “...all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us. Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection”. Acts 1:1,22

As far as there not being any scripture about Matthias after his being chosen, it seems that over half of the eleven are not written about after Acts 1:13. We do see that “...by the hands of the apostles were many signs and wonders wrought among the people...”. Acts 5:12.

With your seemingly certain opinion of Mattias, are you sure that he was not among the apostles as they performed the signs and wonders?


36 posted on 11/22/2017 9:46:02 PM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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