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Is Pope Francis a Liberal Protestant?
First Things ^ | November 15, 2017 | Gerald McDermott

Posted on 11/17/2017 3:03:09 PM PST by ebb tide

As an outsider, I can’t help but wonder whether the pope and the USCCB were particularly provoked by Weinandy’s suggestion that Jesus had allowed this controversy in order “to manifest just how weak is the faith of many within the Church, even among too many of her bishops.” Catholics will have to make up their own minds—but I’ll admit I have questions about the faith of Pope Francis, which seems, if not weak, at least different from that of the Catholic tradition.

Even before the release of Amoris Laetitia in March 2016, Francis had caused many to question his fidelity to that tradition. In 2014, the midterm report of the Extraordinary Synod on the Family recommended that pastors emphasize the “positive aspects” of cohabitation and civil remarriage after divorce. He said that Jesus’s multiplication of bread and fish was really a miracle of sharing, not of multiplying (2013); told a woman in an invalid marriage that she could take Holy Communion (2014); claimed that lost souls do not go to hell (2015); and said that Jesus had begged his parents for forgiveness (2015). In 2016, he said that God had been “unjust with his son,” announced his prayer intention to build a society “that places the human person at the center,” and declared that inequality is “the greatest evil that exists.” In 2017, he joked that “inside the Holy Trinity they’re all arguing behind closed doors, but on the outside they give the picture of unity.” Jesus Christ, he said, “made himself the devil.” “No war is just,” he pronounced. At the end of history, “everything will be saved. Everything.”

Weinandy and other Catholic critics have pointed to alarming statements and suggestions in Amoris Laetitia itself. The exhortation declares, “No one can be condemned for ever, because that is not the logic of the Gospel!” In December 2016, the Catholic philosophers John Finnis and Germain Grisez argued in their “Misuse of Amoris Laetitia” that though this statement reflects a trend among Catholic thinkers stemming from Karl Rahner and Hans Urs von Balthasar, it contradicts the gospels’ clear statements and the Catholic tradition’s teaching that there is “unending punishment” in hell. Finnis and Grisez charge that, according to the logic of Amoris Laetitia, some of the faithful are too weak to keep God’s commandments, and can live in grace while committing ongoing and habitual sins “in grave matter.” Like (Episcopalian) Joseph Fletcher, who taught Situation Ethics in the 1960s, the exhortation suggests that there are exceptions to every moral rule and that there is no such thing as an intrinsically evil act.

I take no pleasure in Rome’s travails. For decades, orthodox Anglicans and other Protestants seeking to resist the apostasies of liberal Christianity have looked to Rome for moral and theological support. Most of us recognized that we were really fighting the sexual revolution, which had coopted and corrupted the Episcopal Church and its parent across the pond. First it was the sanctity of life and euthanasia. Then it was homosexual practice. Now it is gay marriage and transgender ideology. During the pontificates of John Paul II and Benedict XVI, we non-Catholics arguing moral theology could point to learned and compelling arguments coming out of Rome and say, in effect, “The oldest and largest part of the Body of Christ agrees with us, and it does so with remarkable sophistication.”

Those of us who continue to fight for orthodoxy, in dogmatic as well as moral theology, miss those days when there was a clear beacon shining from across the Tiber. For now, it seems, Rome itself has been infiltrated by the sexual revolution. The center is not holding.

Though we are dismayed, we must not despair. For the brave and principled stand made by Tom Weinandy reminds us that God raises up prophetic lights when dark days come to his Church.

Gerald McDermott holds the Anglican Chair of Divinity at Beeson Divinity School.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Mainline Protestant; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: francischurch; heresy; kgb; liberationtheology; marxist; popefrancis; religiousleft
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I’ll admit I have questions about the faith of Pope Francis, which seems, if not weak, at least different from that of the Catholic tradition.
1 posted on 11/17/2017 3:03:09 PM PST by ebb tide
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More like Marxist Islamophile


2 posted on 11/17/2017 3:04:48 PM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents - Know Islam, No Peace -No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: ebb tide

He’s not Catholic. He’s not Christian. What he is the false pope.


3 posted on 11/17/2017 3:05:52 PM PST by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola.")
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To: ebb tide

No, Pope Francis is a bog-standard South American social justice Catholic of the variety that the Roman Catholic Church has babied and tolerated for going on forty years now.

Stop trying to pin your stinkers on Protestants. Bergoglio has always been firmly clamped on the teat of your mother church.


4 posted on 11/17/2017 3:06:38 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

He wants to give Holy Communion to you. So he is one of yours already.


5 posted on 11/17/2017 3:10:10 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

No, he is a secular utopian cretin.


6 posted on 11/17/2017 3:10:24 PM PST by Psalm 144 (GOPe delenda est)
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To: ebb tide

Is the Pope Catholic?

It used to be just a rhetorical question.

Now, who knows?


7 posted on 11/17/2017 3:10:29 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine (White is the new Black.)
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To: ebb tide

He’s your Pope, you are not in obedience, therefore you are at a minimum schismatic if not heretic. No Pope has any authority over me real or imagined. He does over you, however you may try to weasel out of the appearance of rebellion.


8 posted on 11/17/2017 3:11:54 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: bgill

He us a liberal Marxist idiot.


9 posted on 11/17/2017 3:11:56 PM PST by ZULU (DITCH MITCH!!! DUMP RYAN!! DROP DEAD MCCAIN!! KIM FATTY the THIRD = Kim Jung Un)
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To: ebb tide

I’ll take “commie plants” for $200 Alex...


10 posted on 11/17/2017 3:13:46 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: SpaceBar

If he’s a commie plant he was grown in a South American greenhouse owned and operated by the Roman Catholic Church and it’s full of a whole bunch of other commie plants exactly like him. Why, might one ask, would the Roman Catholic Church be elevating such individuals through the hierarchy, and all the way to Pope? It doesn’t seem as if the faithful within her are capable of answering that question in a realistic manner.


11 posted on 11/17/2017 3:16:19 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

If he’s not Catholic, he can’t be a pope.


12 posted on 11/17/2017 3:17:22 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

Well, then, you just answered your own implied question.

He’s Pope, ergo he’s Catholic.


13 posted on 11/17/2017 3:18:05 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: ebb tide
All of the following labels apply:

Liberation Theology, Liberal, Progressive, Modernist,
Socialist, South American Communist, globalist, radical
environmentalist, Liberal Lutheran
14 posted on 11/17/2017 3:19:12 PM PST by jobim
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To: RegulatorCountry

Why did Jesus select Judas as one of His twelve apostles?

Do not question God.


15 posted on 11/17/2017 3:20:02 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: jobim

He’s Roman Catholic through and through, otherwise he’d not be Pope. Bergoglio is not a Lutheran of any stripe. Martin Luther would have spat on him.


16 posted on 11/17/2017 3:20:23 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: ebb tide

Seems you’re the one questioning God here, ebb tide. Why did God choose Bergoglio to be the purported Vicar of Christ on Earth?

There’s only one answer and it doesn’t bode well for Rome. Come out of her.


17 posted on 11/17/2017 3:21:41 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: ebb tide

The first question has to be, is he a Christian. Settle that one before we move to any others.


18 posted on 11/17/2017 3:22:02 PM PST by marron
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To: RegulatorCountry
He’s Pope, ergo he’s Catholic.

So says the non-Catholic.


19 posted on 11/17/2017 3:24:31 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

Oh dear, you’re yawning. Go back to sleep.


20 posted on 11/17/2017 3:25:19 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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