Posted on 11/09/2017 1:57:06 PM PST by ebb tide
De Mattei: Pope Francis and his Lutheran turning point
Good question.
So do you prots accept the Francis? If not, what's your problem with him? Is he too Luther friendly for y'all?
Would you go to one of his "ecumenical masses"? Would you receive Holy Communion at a said "mass"?
I have never called you a Nazi, nor a heretic, nor a demon.
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You told me that reading Luther was akin to reading Mein Kampf when you proudly refused to do research about what you were talking about.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3601392/posts Post 150. You called me a heretic and that’s why it got deleted.
As for demonic, shall I forget when you accused me of the devil whispering in my ear and having my tongue?
You either have bad memory or you are a liar of the first order. Which is it?
Once again, you twist my words into something I did not say.
And then you wonder why people call you a liar or a fool.
Oops. My bad.
Post 152, in which you called me a heretic in your final tantrum on that thread.
And then a lesser insult in post 153, which didn’t get deleted.
For that matter, if CATHOLICS don’t have to obey their church leadership, or can pick and choose what or who they want to obey, where do they get off demanding that we have to do at if we want to get to heaven?
Heck, they can’t even agree on which form of Catholicism we need to obey.
So they allow themselves the liberty to believe what they want and what they choose to beleive but do not allow us the same priviledge.
Basically, we’re going to hell for not obeying whatever flavor of Catholicism the Catholic we’re talking to follows.
12I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. 14He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you. 15All things that the Father has are Mine; therefore I said that He takes of Mine and will disclose it to you. John 16:12-15 NASB
Do Roman Catholics not read the very book they claim to have given everyone????
It's tiresome, yet amusing, seeing non-Catholics tell Catholics, who are and who are not apostates from the Catholic Faith.
It's like the godless muslims telling Christians they are "infidels".
Nothing new in the history of the Church, however.
What a Catch 22.
Ebb claims he obeys the previous popes, and yet it was one of those previous popes he claims to obey who issued the Unum Sanctum that he is now saying he doesn’t have to obey.
Ha.
Can’t argue logic so you put your hands over your ears and scream like a 5-year-old.
Funny man, ebb. Funny man.
And you wonder why you don’t get any respect.
And finally, lest I forget...
http://freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3600670/posts?page=117#117
There’s just one little example of you playing the Nazi card.
So do you have a painfully bad memory or did you lie?
What part of your post above contradicts Confesssion?
If not, what's your problem with him? Is he too Luther friendly for y'all?
Would you go to one of his "ecumenical masses"?
Would you receive Holy Communion at a said "mass"?
No to all of the above.
The Roman Catholic Mass, where the priest calls Jesus down from Heaven to be placed upon the altar again and again and again....contradicts Scripture.
John O' Brien, Roman Catholic Priest in the Faith of Millions. | Hebrews 9:24-28 | Hebrews 10:11-13 |
When the priest pronounces the tremendous words of consecration, he reaches up into the heavens, brings Christ down from His throne, and places Him upon our altar to be offered up again as the Victim for the sins of man. It is a power greater than that of monarchs and emperors: it is greater than that of saints and angels, greater than that of Seraphim and Cherubim. Indeed it is greater even than the power of the Virgin Mary. While the Blessed Virgin was the human agency by which Christ became incarnate a single time, the priest brings Christ down from heaven, and renders Him present on our altar as the eternal Victim for the sins of mannot once but a thousand times! The priest speaks and lo! Christ, the eternal and omnipotent God, bows His head in humble obedience to the priests command. | 24For Christ did not enter a holy place made with hands, a mere copy of the true one, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; 25nor was it that He would offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the holy place year by year with blood that is not his own. 26Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now once at the consummation of the ages He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. 27And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment, 28so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him. | Every priest stands daily ministering and offering time after time the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins; 12but He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, SAT DOWN AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD, 13waiting from that time onward UNTIL HIS ENEMIES BE MADE A FOOTSTOOL FOR HIS FEET. 14For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified. |
I don’t expect respect from the likes of you.
Thanks for the compliment.
The better question is where is the Roman Catholic version of "Confession" in Scripture?
The Holy Spirit guides us to confess our sins to Christ Who forgives.
1How blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, Whose sin is covered!
2How blessed is the man to whom the LORD does not impute iniquity, And in whose spirit there is no deceit!
3When I kept silent about my sin, my body wasted away Through my groaning all day long.
4For day and night Your hand was heavy upon me; My vitality was drained away as with the fever heat of summer. Selah.
5I acknowledged my sin to You, And my iniquity I did not hide; I said, I will confess my transgressions to the LORD; And You forgave the guilt of my sin.
Psalms 32:1-5 NASB
Who is calling me a liar or a fool besides yourself?
Are you trying to avoid the ad hominem forum rules?
What else do you call a Catholic who refuses to submit to the Catholic heirarchy?
You’re the one throwing the term around most.
So we don’t acknowledge the authority of Francis, just like you don’t, and while we are heretics, you are a faithful Catholic.
How exactly does that work? How are you free to reject his authority and no
one else is?
You linked to a thread, not a personal post of mine.
How did that thread make you think I personally insulted you?
This one is the best though.
1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, HE is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from ALL unrighteousness.
No need for a priest, especially one who thinks he can retain someone’s sins when you can just go to God and He PROMISESto forgive. He will override any priests decision to retain sin.
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