Posted on 11/09/2017 1:57:06 PM PST by ebb tide
Post 12.
Which got deleted because you insulted people with it.
Your PM, in which you insulted me.
And of course all those times you called me a heretic and demonic on other threads.
I treated you with complete respect on this thread until your disgusting PM, and you can see the proof right above.
Again, it’s almost like people who treat other people shamefully get treated with contempt in return. It’s almost like you ought to treat other people the way you’d like to be treated.
What a novel hecking concept.
You’d think that the holy and wise Catholics would have a rule about that. Perhaps even a GOLDEN rule, shall we say?
What part of my post:
The Holy Ghost guides the Catholic Church.
.... do you not understand?
We are left with the written word as the authoritative text to rely upon.
If you keep bringing up my PM, post it, with my permission.
I never insulted on this thread nor any PM to you.
What part of my post:
The Holy Ghost guides the Catholic Church.
.... do you not understand?
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I don’t understand why you refuse to define what the Catholic Church is.
Because if I don’t have to obey the theology of your doctors and Cardinals and Pope, what’s to stop me from claiming to be Catholic even though I reject all the doctrine of your doctors and Cardinals and Pope? What’s to stop me from claiming that I have the Holy Spirit and telling people whatever I want?
You know, like you’re doing now and what you claim Luther did.
My my, it’s almost like you want to use the Bible to determine what’s true and what’s not instead of Cardinals and Popes and Magusteriums. I thought that was heresy.
Sure they can. That's why they're called "tradition".
Such a tired and worn out argument from the Roman Catholic.
"[25] But there are also many other things which Jesus did; which, if they were written every one, the world itself, I think, would not be able to contain the books that should be written." [John 21:25]
And the same John who wrote that wrote this.
30Therefore many other signs Jesus also performed in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; 31but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name. John 20:30-31 NASB
"[8] But you shall receive the power of the Holy Ghost coming upon you, and you shall be witnesses unto me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and Samaria, and even to the uttermost part of the earth." [Acts Of Apostles 1:8]
No problem with this verse at all. Every believer has been given the Holy Spirit who guides us as we witness unto Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria and beyond.
But the Spirit is not going to contradict what has been revealed in Scripture.
Try as the Roman Catholic might, none of the other writings they rely upon (kinda like the Mormon who has other books besides the Bible), are considered inspired.
When Rome finally authorized its Canon at Trent, they could have included these other books. That they didn't is telling.
ebbtide: How so? Where are your "proofs"?
Well, you've been offering enough proof with your own Reformation type posts the past couple of years.
Unam Sanctum says he has to. He has no choice in the matter.
Why? You’ll just accuse me of doctoring it. It’s not like you haven’t done so before when I quote things that you’ve said about me. Like, for example, Nazis?
Why don’t YOU post the disgusting claim that you made about my ‘sore spot’?
And it doesn’t change how you have repeatedly accused me of being a heretic and demonic either.
Once again, I tried to be respectful to you and you absolutely refused.
Maybe it's because you have never asked me to?
I believe in the Holy, Catholic Church: An Explanation of the Ninth Article of the Apostles Creed
Sure they can. That's why they're called "tradition".
Then please give us the authoritative listing of these that have been approved by the Roman Catholic Church.
These cannot contradict Scripture or each other.
I'm getting the popcorn as I await your reply.
Why are you posting an explanation that you yourself claimed is not inspired by the Holy Spirit? After all, it was written by your Church Magusterium, which elected Francis.
So why are you saying that I should believe what is from man and not from God?
Is that official church teaching that a unanimous vote for pope is the evidence of the Holy Spirit’s guidance in his selection?
And if the vote is not unanimous, then the Holy Spirit did NOT guide the CoC in selecting the pope?
Have all previous popes in church history been selected by unanimous vote?
principally to the Roman Pontiff.
Perhaps YOU might want to read why you believe in a denomination.
Wow, seems that you want to have your cake and eat it too.
The Holy Spirit guides the Catholic church except when He doesn’t.
How exactly does the Holy Spirit guide the church without guiding the men who run it? What other mechanism does He use?
Oh, and lest I forget, there’s also the entire thread which started about nothing but insulting all Protestants and all Catholics who don’t reject Francis.
And here ebb is, upset that he’s getting insulted back after spending hundreds of pages on FR screaming putrid hatred for all things that don’t match up with his specific strain of Catholicism.
I have never called you a Nazi, nor a heretic, nor a demon.
I challenge you to show where I have done so.
By the way, why have you resorted to thread hopping?
But by those words of the Creed, we affirm belief in the Church as the society or congregation of the faithful, united by the profession of one and the same Faith, united also by participation in the same Sacraments, and by submission to the legitimate prelates,
principally to the Roman Pontiff.
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AHAHAHAHAH.
I missed that bit; good catch!
God's word proves you wrong.
Ephesians 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
Philippians 2:13 r it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.
So the Holy Spirit does not guide Catholics.
That explains a lot.
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