Posted on 11/09/2017 1:57:06 PM PST by ebb tide
De Mattei: Pope Francis and his Lutheran turning point
If you’d never give up the faith, then you are obligated to submit to the pope in order to attain salvation as per the ex cathedra pronouncement of one of your own previous popes.
Not at most novus order masses, and never at an "ecumenical mass".
I have respect and reverence for the Body of Christ.
Who are you to tell me which pope I must obey?
Not at most novus order masses, and never at an “ecumenical mass”.
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Respect for that too! Well, the ecumenical thing; I have no opinion on the novus order at the moment, since I have not yet taken the time to research into it.
Luther would agree with you on refusing the ecumenical mass.
But the question comes down to this: What’s the difference between you and Luther then?
If you’re both so willing to defy evil Popes for the sake of your faith AND continue to seek communion with those who believe the same you do and reject a false Pope, what did Luther do that was so wrong?
After all, you said that you’d do the exact same thing he did when confronted with an evil Pope. The only difference being that you weren’t facing the possibility of being burned at the stake for it.
So you get to decide for yourself which popes you choose to obey?
When did that become an option for Catholics?
And non- Catholics are criticized for “ every man his own pope”?
What a joke.
It’s amazing how many Catholics think they are more Catholic than the pope himself.
You bet! And I recognize a heretic when I see one, whether it be Bergoglio or his hero, Luther.
I cannot obey two masters.
Answer the question, and answer it in public, not in an insulting PM.
What’s the difference between you and Luther, other than the fact that you’re not risking anything, and Luther risked his life in the hands of an evil Pope?
You bet!
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So what’s the difference between you and Luther, Apostate Ebb?
No. Otherwise it would have been a unanimous vote on the first ballot count. Have you ever thought of that?
As we can see, some modern-day Catholics are so full of sinful hate that they themselves apostatize from their own church’s laws in order to maintain that hate.
And unlike some Catholics, I actually call them out in public instead of hiding in a PM.
Then why should we submit to ANY church body if the Holy Spirit doesn’t guide them?
In fact, wouldn’t the Holy Spirit NOT guiding a church body be a signal to LEAVE that church body?
You know, like you said that you’d do, and like Luther did?
Luther risked his soul, and I think he lost.
I will never do that. I'm a Catholic.
You complain about slander on this thread, yet call me “Apostate Ebb”?
The Holy Ghost guides the Catholic Church.
He’s not necessarily guiding a college of cardinals, Cardinal Cupich, Cardinal Wuerl nor Jorge Bergoglio.
God created man with free will. And with that free will, some Catholics, such as the above, choose to reject the will of the Blessed Trinity.
Adam did. Luther did. And Bergolio is doing so.
The Paraclete does not guide each and every catholic into every perfect act of faith. Otherwise Catholics would not have the sacrament of Confession.
Review your PM to me and reflect on that.
OH REALLY?
You can insult me all you want, but when I say one word back, you cry and whine about it?
It’s almost like there’s consequences for your actions.
It’s almost like you should treat your neighbor the way you want to be treated.
Too bad that Catholics don’t have that rule, isn’t it?
That doesn’t answer the question.
If the body that makes church theology isn’t guided by the Holy Spirit, why should it demand my fealty?
In what specific post were you personally insulted by me?
Your refusal to answer suggests that you can come up with NO difference between you and Luther other than the fact that you whine on the Internet a lot more and don’t risk anything for it.
By the exact same standards that you judge Dr. Luther by, you yourself are an apostate from the Catholic Church.
Now go hold yourself to your own standards for belonging to the Catholic Church and kiss Bergoglio’s feet.
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