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De Mattei: Pope Francis and his “Lutheran turning point”
Rorate Caeli ^ | November 8, 2017 | Roberto de Mattei

Posted on 11/09/2017 1:57:06 PM PST by ebb tide

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To: Boogieman; ealgeone; metmom
Calling a Spade, a Spade

Now go talk amongst yourselves.

241 posted on 11/10/2017 9:21:48 AM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: Mark17

Heh. I’ll come up with something limericky myself sometime!


242 posted on 11/10/2017 9:23:01 AM PST by Luircin
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To: Boogieman
We don’t pretend to be members of a church that demands we accept him as a requisite of membership.

And if it did, I would run away from it real fast. In fact, I did exactly that, as I ran from the Catholic Church. 😀😆😱

243 posted on 11/10/2017 9:24:10 AM PST by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
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To: ebb tide

Ebb tide, once again showing the courage and bravery to face up to all challenges of his faith, with two glorious words. I quote him now:

“RUN AWAY! RUN AWAY!”


244 posted on 11/10/2017 9:24:45 AM PST by Luircin
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To: ebb tide
You can't refute anything we've posted to you on this thread...or others for that matter.

Now run along and do what your pope tells you to do as per Unam Sanctum.

245 posted on 11/10/2017 9:26:17 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: Boogieman; ebb tide

So, by that reasoning, all the popes in history who weren’t elected by unanimous votes on first ballot were essentially antipopes?

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Including Leo X!

So once again, ebb is admitting that he’s the same as Dr. Martin Luther.


246 posted on 11/10/2017 9:26:39 AM PST by Luircin
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To: Luircin
I quote him now:

“RUN AWAY! RUN AWAY!”

Why do you continue to bear false witness against me? I have never said those words.

247 posted on 11/10/2017 9:27:03 AM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

“Who do you think Catholics believe is the head of the Catholic Church? Is it Jorge Bergoglio or is it Jesus Christ?”

Hmm, I seem to recall something about the “Vicar of Christ on Earth”, acting as Christ’s representative here on earth while Christ is in heaven. Or do you reject that?


248 posted on 11/10/2017 9:29:00 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Luircin; Boogieman

Nope. I’m saying the Holy Ghost doesn’t elect the pope; mortal men, all of them sinners, do.


249 posted on 11/10/2017 9:29:32 AM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ealgeone
You can't refute anything we've posted to you on this thread...or others for that matter.

It's all refuted in post #241.

Why don't you pick up your marbles and go home?

250 posted on 11/10/2017 9:31:50 AM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide
You've refuted nothing.

You cannot refute Unam Sanctum.

You cannot refute the contradiction between what a Roman Catholic priest wrote in The Faith of Millions regarding the Eucharist and what is recorded in Hebrews.

You cannot refute that new Roman Catholics were slapped by the priest at one time but now are no longer. That's from the group that claims they never change.

You cannot refute the Canon Law that shows where you have to be subject to the bishop...including the pope.

You're banking on allegiance to a denomination and not the Savior. There is a huge difference.

251 posted on 11/10/2017 9:38:36 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: Boogieman

Do me a favor and look up the definition of “vicar”.


252 posted on 11/10/2017 9:47:21 AM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ealgeone

Why should I refute Unam Sanctum when I accept it?

I will not play devil’s advocate.


253 posted on 11/10/2017 9:49:05 AM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide
If you accept it you have to accept what your pope is advancing. You, nor any other Roman Catholic, have no choice in the matter....if you really believe what the Roman Catholicism teaches about following the pope.

I will not play devil’s advocate.

But you are playing a modern day Luther.

254 posted on 11/10/2017 9:52:01 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone
If you accept it you have to accept what your pope is advancing. You, nor any other Roman Catholic, have no choice in the matter....if you really believe what the Roman Catholicism teaches about following the pope.

Once again, it's hillarious to see non-catholics telling Catholics what they "must do" in their own Church.

Why are you so infatuated with us? I have never seen you attack other "religions".

255 posted on 11/10/2017 9:56:00 AM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide
The Pope uses the title Vicarius Christi, meaning the vicar of Christ. The papacy first used this title in the 6th century; earlier they used the title "vicar of Saint Peter" or vicarius principis apostolorum, the "vicar of the chief of the apostles".

So much for passing along what the Apostles taught.

256 posted on 11/10/2017 9:57:15 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: Boogieman

St. Peter was also the Vicar of Christ, and he was rebuked to his face by another saint.


257 posted on 11/10/2017 9:58:46 AM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide
>>If you accept it you have to accept what your pope is advancing. You, nor any other Roman Catholic, have no choice in the matter....if you really believe what the Roman Catholicism teaches about following the pope.<<

Once again, it's hillarious to see non-catholics telling Catholics what they "must do" in their own Church.

But not quite as hillarious as seeing a Roman Catholic try to squirm out of what he doesn't like about his pope.

Why are you so infatuated with us? I have never seen you attack other "religions".

When Hindus or Muslims start posting on FR they will be addressed accordingly. I understand at one time Mormons used to post on FR but are no longer able to do so.

Until then...as long as certain Roman Catholics feel FR is their own personal blog and it is posted in an open forum there may be corrections to what is posted.

258 posted on 11/10/2017 10:00:22 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone
But not quite as hillarious as seeing a Roman Catholic try to squirm out of what he doesn't like about his pope.

I'm not squirming out of an anything. As a faithful Catholic, I make explicitly clear what my problems are with Jorge Bergoglio.

If I praise him, you condemn both me and him.

If I criticize him, you call me a heretic like Luther.

What's your problem? Take a stand for once.

259 posted on 11/10/2017 10:08:49 AM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ealgeone
But you are playing a modern day Luther.

Is that a compliment or an insult?

260 posted on 11/10/2017 10:10:42 AM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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