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To: af_vet_1981
The Hail Mary prayer is a prayer TO Mary.

Again, all prayer is directed to God....not created beings.

The examples we have in the NT of believers praying for one another or asking for prayer are between believers still on earth. These are not directed to saints who've departed this earth.

107 posted on 10/18/2017 5:03:02 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone
The Hail Mary prayer is a prayer TO Mary.

The Hail Mary is a request to Mary that she pray to God for sinners.

Perhaps this is a different point of view between those who have faith that Mary and other saints are in the presence of God and others who do not have that faith.

Again, all prayer is directed to God....not created beings.

And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground; And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night.

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Wherefore, Job, I pray thee, hear my speeches, and hearken to all my words. Behold, now I have opened my mouth, my tongue hath spoken in my mouth. My words shall be of the uprightness of my heart: and my lips shall utter knowledge clearly. The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life. If thou canst answer me, set thy words in order before me, stand up. Behold, I am according to thy wish in God's stead: I also am formed out of the clay. Behold, my terror shall not make thee afraid, neither shall my hand be heavy upon thee. Surely thou hast spoken in mine hearing, and I have heard the voice of thy words, saying, I am clean without transgression, I am innocent; neither is there iniquity in me. Behold, he findeth occasions against me, he counteth me for his enemy, He putteth my feet in the stocks, he marketh all my paths. Behold, in this thou art not just: I will answer thee, that God is greater than man.


Genesis, Catholic chapter nineteen, Protestant verses one to two,
Job, Catholic chapter thirty three, Protestant verses one to twelve,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James


The examples we have in the NT of believers praying for one another or asking for prayer are between believers still on earth. These are not directed to saints who've departed this earth.

There is no positive example of many things in the scriptures. It requires judgement as to whether it is wrong or not.

For example, there is no positive example of artificial birth control methods. Do you agree that is sin ?

There are no positive examples of anyone commemorating birthdays each year. Is that some kind of idolatry, unduly worshipping someone other than God each year ?


110 posted on 10/18/2017 5:58:24 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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