“I’m not Thomas More.”
But you are justifying rather than condemning burning people at the stake for disagreeing with your theology.
“Now, I call on you to either substantiate your claim that I was ‘justifying torturing people for disagreeing with their theology.’”
Your words were “he [William Tyndale] was executed for his heresy.”
You were specifically contradicting me that he was martyred.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3594481/posts?page=185#185
Like I said, that’s like a member of the KKK telling a black descendent of slaves that when his ancestors were raped and tortured, they had it coming. Except you’re doing it in the name of Jesus.
Do you or do you not agree with the Church having Tyndale arrested and burned at the stake for the supposed crime of heresy?
I’ve been called a heretic by some self-identified Catholics here. Do you think that I ought to be burned at the stake for my beliefs? Do you think the Constitution was poorly drafted to exclude such possibilities?
“But you are justifying rather than condemning burning people at the stake for disagreeing with your theology.”
SHOW. ME. WHERE.
“Your words were “he [William Tyndale] was executed for his heresy.””
That is a statement of fact.
1) Tyndale arrested for heresy.
2) Tyndale had been tried for heresy.
3) Tyndale was executed for heresy.
If you read and good biography of Tyndale you’ll discover he was first accused of heresy many, many years before he was ever arrested and executed. Did you also know he opposed Henry VIII’s divorce and second marriage? That would have meant the death penalty for him just as it did for many Catholics. Tyndale was also a proponent of a type of psychopannychism. Is that not viewed as heretical by your sect? You might want to ask your pastor about that if you don’t know or don’t know what it is.
Whether you think it is heresy or not is irrelevant to the fact that he was executed for heresy. I made a statement of fact. I in no way in that statement did any “justifying torturing people for disagreeing with their theology.”
Now, again, I ask you TO SHOW ME WHERE I was “justifying torturing people for disagreeing with their theology.”
Can you do it or not?
“You were specifically contradicting me that he was martyred.”
Because he wasn’t. That’s your subjective point of view. If you want to accuse me of having one as well, feel free to do so. But do not tell an OUTRIGHT FALSEHOOD that I was “justifying torturing people for disagreeing with their theology” is simply wrong.
And, please note, that in the very post you linked to (#185), I wrote: “Actually he was executed for his heresy but if you want to call that his faith, fine.”
“Like I said, that’s like a member of the KKK telling a black descendent of slaves that when his ancestors were raped and tortured, they had it coming.”
No, it is not.
1) “Tyndale was executed for his heresy.”
2) “Blacks, who whites considered inferior because of their race and their primitive cultures, were enslaved by whites and sometimes raped and tortured by them.”
Both of those statements are true. I don’t expect Protestants to like the former nor Blacks to like the latter but both are true.
And if you don’t like it, you can pound sand. It won’t change. What should change is that you should stop posting completely false things you can’t substantiate. Apparently you’re just fine with bearing false witness. It’s your soul. You’ll have to live with it. . . and you’ll have to die with it as well. There’s still time. Do the right thing.
“Do you or do you not agree with the Church having Tyndale arrested and burned at the stake for the supposed crime of heresy?”
Do you or do you not agree that you are repeatedly bearing false witness against me by insisting I said something I did not say and that you cannot substantiate? Are you just making it worse now for yourself by insisting on deflecting that fact and attacking me again when you’ve been wrong all along. Also, if you say “supposed crime of heresy” you’re making two mistakes. 1) Heresy was not a “supposed” crime, but an actual “on-the-books” crime. 2) You are tacitly admitting he was executed for heresy. And that is exactly what I said: “Actually he was executed for his heresy but if you want to call that his faith, fine.” Thanks for essentially admitting I was right all along. I already knew it, but for you to torpedo your own facile argument that conveniently is just icing on top, you know?
Tyndale was accused of heresy. He was tried for heresy. He was executed for heresy. By the way, you know he wasn’t actually burned at the stake, right? He was strangled. His body was burned. The inquisitors actually thought he was a decent man. They turned him over to the secular arm to be executed because HE WAS A HERETIC. If you don’t believe me, just read David Daniell’s book. I did.
“I’ve been called a heretic by some self-identified Catholics here.”
I probably would not do that to you. But what do you care? You would just bear false witness against me apparently and say I did say it when I didn’t, right?
“Do you think that I ought to be burned at the stake for my beliefs?”
No. But I do think a man who bears false witness REPEATEDLY against another man and doesn’t repent is risking the fires of hell. Do you think otherwise? Proverbs 12:22 You still have time to change your life and repent. Do it. By the way, if there are marshmallows and S’mores involved, I might reconsider the burning. Priorities.
“Do you think the Constitution was poorly drafted to exclude such possibilities?”
Do you think God was wrong to order the Levites to kill thousands of people who worshiped the Golden Calf? I respect the U.S. Constitution (probably much more than you do), but I know my God is God and no constitution is God. The constitution saves no souls. No constitution can save the soul of a man who bears false witness and refuses to repent. You still have time. Do the right thing.