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“can easily be applied to Protestants”

All Protestants? Not all Protestants murdered and tortured people. Some of them fled here which led to the enshrinement of religious liberty and the prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment into our Constitution.

Thank God for those Protestants. And if it weren’t for them, those same murdering religious groups would still be doing so today. The Protestants who fled here had to flee both the Catholic Church and the Church of England.

Thank God that at least one great nation was not dominated by the religious institution based in Rome. Because the nations in South and Central America did not have the Protestant beliefs that prevented Socialism from being embraced here (so far). When this nation was formed, there were less than 2% Roman Catholics here.

“Thousands of Bibles were approved by local bishops. I even came across a certificate from a local bishop approving a translation of the bible that was possessed by a lay person.”

Yeah. Those were the early reformers. Men like John Wycliffe. Like I said, if it weren’t for the Reformation, the common people would have never received the word of God in their native tongue.

You want to claim credit to yourself and your religious institution for the contributions of the apostles, the early church fathers, and reformers who were calling the church to repentance. Yet you identify yourself, not with reformers like Tyndale, but with the murderous clergy.

You are just exactly like the religious leaders of Jesus’s days on earth. They claimed a special authority and place in God’s kingdom. But they despised the message of repentance from John the Baptist, Christ, and the apostles. And they wanted to kill them all. The religious leaders considered these servants of God to be heretics, just like you and the wicked men you justify did. Just read their haughty words.

Luke 13:14
But the ruler of the synagogue answered with indignation, because Jesus had healed on the Sabbath; and he said to the crowd, “There are six days on which men ought to work; therefore come and be healed on them, and not on the Sabbath day.”

This wicked clergyman tried to dictate to God and the Son of God when they could work. The religious leaders were filled with fury because Jesus did not follow their traditions. They attacked the ones Jesus healed and excommunicated them. They attacked Jesus, calling Him insane and demonic. They plotted to kill Him and Lazarus because He raised Lazarus from the dead, causing many to believe on Him. The biggest clergyman of them all, the pope of Jewry, said, “One man should die for the people that the whole nation perish not.” And they followed his counsel, sending Jesus to the Roman authorities to be crucified.

Matthew 15:6b-9
You have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition.
Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:
“These people draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.”

They elevated their tradition to have authority equal to scripture, but they hated the Word of God because it contradicted and disproved the lawfulness of their traditions. And it is the same with you and your religious institution.

John 9:24, 28, 29, 34
So they again called the man who was blind, and said to him, “Give God the glory! We know that this Man is a sinner.”
Then they reviled him and said, “You are His disciple, but we are Moses’ disciples. We know that God spoke to Moses; as for this fellow, we do not know where He is from.”
They answered and said to him, “You were completely born in sins, and are you teaching us?” And they cast him out.

“Actually [Tyndale] was executed for his heresy.”

That’s a disgusting claim. I’ve seen the videos of the woman who nonchalantly discusses dismembering the babies she kills so she can get herself an expensive sports car. She speaks in detached, clinical terms, just like you. You actually justify burning a man alive because he disagrees with your man-made traditions. His beliefs and deeds were based on the word of God and in support and defense of the word of God. These wicked “Catholics” who are now in the fiery torment of Hell, had him burned alive in their vicious, demonic efforts to stop people from hearing the word of God in their own language.

But you treat this torture and murder as acceptable and normal. When did Jesus torture and murder anyone? When did the apostles? When did the early church fathers? No, you got that tradition from the real lineage of your heretical religious institution: from the Pharisees who murdered Jesus. And they got it from the apostate Jews who murdered God’s prophets (who were faithful Jews), just as Jesus told them. And they all got it from their father the Devil. They followed their father and their traditions, just as you do.

Matthew 23:29-35
Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because you build the tombs of the prophets and adorn the monuments of the righteous, and say, “If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.” Therefore you are witnesses against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers’ guilt. Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell? Therefore, indeed, I send you prophets, wise men, and scribes: some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city, that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.

“It is clear Tyndale held beliefs no one before his generation ever held so only he could be the heretic.”

His tradition was to give people the word of God, not hide and obscure it and try to be gatekeepers of it. It was the same among the religious leaders of Jesus’s earthly ministry. He did the same deeds as righteous men did throughout history. His murderers did the deeds that the phony religious leaders and false prophets did throughout history. They followed the murderous way of Cain who killed his brother Able because Able’s service to God was good, but Cain’s was rejected by God. These are the ones Christ and the apostles warned the real Church to beware of: ravenous wolves in sheep’s clothing, deceivers coming in Christ’s name, murderers who follow the way of Cain.

Yes, Tyndale deviated from your murderous traditions which you and your religious institution got from the Christ-murdering religious leaders, the false prophets, and their father, the Devil.

Luke 11:52
Woe to you lawyers [experts in the Law of Moses]! For you have taken away the key of knowledge. You did not enter in yourselves, and those who were entering in you hindered.

Acts 7:52
Which of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? And they killed those who foretold the coming of the Just One, of whom you now have become the betrayers and murderers.

John 8:33a, 37
They answered Him, “We are Abraham’s descendants...” [Jesus replied], “I know that you are Abraham’s descendants, but you seek to kill Me, because My word has no place in you.”

John 8:39, 44a
They answered and said to Him, “Abraham is our father.” Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham’s children, you would do the works of Abraham... You are of your father the devil.”

Matthew 3:7-9
But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them, “Brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Therefore bear fruits worthy of repentance, and do not think to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I say to you that God is able to raise up children to Abraham from these stones.”

Matthew 7:15
Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.

Jude 11a
Woe to them! For they have gone in the way of Cain.

1 John 3:10-12
In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother. For this is the message that you heard from the beginning, that we should love one another, not as Cain who was of the wicked one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his works were evil and his brother’s righteous.


188 posted on 10/16/2017 9:31:12 AM PDT by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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To: unlearner

“All Protestants? Not all Protestants murdered and tortured people.”

Not all Catholics did either. And?

“Some of them fled here...”

Yes, and those were PROTESTANTS fleeing PROTESTANTS.


189 posted on 10/16/2017 9:42:11 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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197 posted on 10/16/2017 9:47:07 PM PDT by boatbums (The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation, but washes you upon the Rock of Ages.)
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