“What vlad refuses to see is that it was the RCC itself that introduced the term.”
FALSE. You did not post a single example of the Catholic Church EVER using before the Protestant Revolution the term “Roman Catholics”. “Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church” is NOT “Roman Catholics”. The Church used Latin. “Roman Catholics” is English.
“Pope Innocent III (A.D. 1198 – 1216): “With our hearts we believe and with our lips we confess but one Church, not that of the heretics, but the Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church, outside which we believe that no one is saved.” (Denzinger 423).”
And there we see your failure to substantiate your claim yet again: “the Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church” is NOT “Roman Catholics”. Those are two DIFFERENT phrases, describing two different things - one is an institution described in its attributes and the other is a group of believers - and they were written in two different languages and 300 years apart in two different countries separated by over 1,100 miles. The first term was written by Pope Innocent III and the second was coined by Protestants.
“For people to call members of the RCC “Roman Catholics” is not a stretch much as vlad attempts to make it.”
Yes, it is because no Protestant was looking toward Pope Innocent III’s one mentioning of “the Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church” (that you have latched onto) for a new name to call Catholics in England in English. That isn’t how it happened. But that is essentially what you’re suggesting and that suggestion is moronic. Obviously, the origins of “Roman Catholics” as a term has everything to do with an early basis for the three branch theory, which would not come to a full flowering until the 19th century, and nothing to do with Pope Innocent III in the 13th century.
Here’s what we know so far:
1) No pope EVER used the phrase “Roman Catholics” in English let alone ever heard of it before the Protestant Revolution.
2) None of the quotes you have posted actually say what you need them to say to substantiate your claim. Not EVEN ONE OF THEM.
3) The OED editors - who were Protestants - said the term “Roman Catholics” was invented by Protestants in England after the Reformation.
4) I posted evidence, in post #65 for instance, that shows the term “Roman Catholics” was invented by Protestants. This wasn’t the only pejorative Protestants invented or applied to Catholics. Popery was another: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/popery Notice how Merriam Webster says it’s “disparaging”? Disparaging of what? “Roman Catholicism”. Click on that. What do you get? You get this: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Roman%20Catholicism They say it was first used in 1662! And that isn’t even “Roman Catholics”! Now click on the Spanish translation. What do you get: http://www.spanishcentral.com/translate/Roman%20Catholicism What do you get? Do you get “Roman Catholic Church” ? No. Do you get “Roman Catholics”? No. All you get is “catolicismo”. Where the Protestant Revolution never had much influence the Catholic Church always remained known as the Catholic Church and nothing else. Where Protestantism held sway, “Roman Catholic” became a common term. Germans readily admit this: Der Name “römisch-katholisch” entstand in der Reformationszeit. Er sollte dazu beitragen, die verschiedenen Richtungen der christlichen Kirchen besser unterscheiden zu können.
I keep posting evidence. You refute none of it. Yesterday you bizarrely insisted I was upset with your source or website of a source of a quote - when I still don’t know that website source and it doesn’t matter. You keep making things up and refusing to deal with information and links posted to you. It seems pretty obvious why. I have every reason to believe you will continue to ignore everything posted in #65 just like other Protestants here. You have to I suppose. It interferes with your drone programming apparently.
BTW....Hillary is in need of some speech writers. I think you're most qualified with your ability to spin.