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To: af_vet_1981; boatbum

I never knew there was a “Vineyard” movement but it doesn’t surprise me. People have to start all sorts of things. It is interesting from your post that they accept all theological views except the ones they disagree with. Ah, ecumenticalism!!! Toss doctrine out the window for the sake of love, love, love.

Reviewing the passages, “new vineyard” was probably an inaccurate term. As boatbum points out from the text of Romans, the branches from the house of Israel were cut off and the Gentiles were grafted on as foretold by Isaiah 5 and 27 and John 15. To be more precise, the vineyard talked about in scripture is a continuation of God’s election and chosen people (our Jewish forefathers and Gentiles). A pleasant vineyard that the Lord will keep. But I’m sure it has nothing to with this church.


52 posted on 10/07/2017 3:34:48 AM PDT by HarleyD ("There are very few shades of grey."-Dr. Eckleburg)
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To: HarleyD
Reviewing the passages, “new vineyard” was probably an inaccurate term. As boatbum points out from the text of Romans, the branches from the house of Israel were cut off and the Gentiles were grafted on as foretold by Isaiah 5 and 27 and John 15. To be more precise, the vineyard talked about in scripture is a continuation of God’s election and chosen people (our Jewish forefathers and Gentiles). A pleasant vineyard that the Lord will keep.

    Better; except note that
  1. only some of the natural branches from the House of Israel were cut off
  2. those who were grafted in are supposed to fear, and continue in His goodness; otherwise they shall be cut off (no Once Saved Always Saved here)
  3. those who are cut off may be grafted in again
  4. the Apostle declared this a mystery.


For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them. For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead? For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches. And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again. For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree? For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes. For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.

Romans, Catholic chapter eleven, Protestant verses thirteen to thirty one,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

54 posted on 10/07/2017 6:08:31 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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